The year Hip-Hop and R&B officially merged

[FeverPitch2]

NY hip-hop had been sample based with some degree of grit until 1994.
That year hip-hop started getting more radio friendly and glossy, even if the language and subject matter was still coarse.
This may have had to do with the wild success over at Death Row on the back of Dre's slick and glamorous sounding beats.
The men who started this segue for NY hip-hop were Jean-Claude Olivier and Samuel Barnes, individually known as Poke and Tone (aka Red Hot Lover Tone) respectively.
They were best known as the production team Trackmasters.


Trackmasters drew the ire of the "keep it real" contingent, at the same time racking up huge crossover hits.
This distaste for the Trackmasters style would have a severe impact on Nas' 1996 sophomore album, It Was Written.
Though some hard core emcees were dissing them, just as many hardcore emcees were requesting their services
Their breakthrough was reviving the career of LL Cool J for a second time with his 1995 album Mr. Smith.


After that, it was no longer taboo to have a Trackmasters joint.
At this point, other NY beatmakers started to emulate them.
Particularly Puffy's production team, The Hitmen.
Hardcore emcees bristled at what they called Puff's "shiny suit" style of hip-hop.
Even with that, The Hitmen's sound was still mostly sample based.

1998 was where the transformation completed.
By the end of the 90's, hip-hop sounded completely different than it did at the beginning of the decade.


Hip-hop beats didn't even have samples anymore. The samples had been replaced by female R&B vocals.
R&B songs were more likely to have samples than hip-hop joints.

 

[I love Latina women]

Technically, Teddy Riley was merging the two genres before them

 

[The Connoisseurs]

What about the vice versa with TLC,Mary J , Mariah..etc

 

[FeverPitch2]

Technically, Teddy Riley was merging the two genres before them

The difference being that R&B was changing to be more like hip-hop.
By the end of the 90's, the inverse happened.

 

[I love Latina women]

The difference being that R&B was changing to be more like hip-hop.
By the end of the 90's, the inverse happened.

to quote Prince, "sign o the times"

Hip hop become more dominant, popular and in demand and was making more and more money.

 

[MasterThought]

Hip-hop street culture killed R&B

Black men could no longer be "kind & respectful gentlemen" due to the rise of rap music. Rap Music made the pants sagging, heavily tattooed , blunt smoking, drugdealing street thug appealing and sexy to both black men and black women. Rap music absolutely DESTROYED the image of the "wholesome" black man.

Black men admired the street thug and black women wanted to f*ck the street thug due to the GLAMORIZATION of the street thug lifestyle in rap music.

Rap music also degraded and belittled the idea of the black woman in the minds of black men. The black woman went from "queens" to "bytches & h0es" due to the rise of rap music.

The black woman was no longer someone to admire & respect due to hip-hop street culture and later on "thot" rap in which the black woman degraded and belittled herself.

Rap Music was the worse thing that ever happened to R&B music.

Damn

 

[Surreal]

Jody Watley feat Rakim - Friends got mad spins that started it

 

[The Connoisseurs]

Hip-hop street culture killed R&B

Black men could no longer be "kind & respectful gentlemen" due to the rise of rap music. Rap Music made the pants sagging, heavily tattooed , blunt smoking, drugdealing street thug appealing and sexy to both black men and black women. Rap music absolutely DESTROYED the image of the "wholesome" black man.

Black men admired the street thug and black women wanted to f*ck the street thug due to the GLAMORIZATION of the street thug lifestyle in rap music.

Rap music also degraded and belittled the idea of the black woman in the minds of black men. The black woman went from "queens" to "bytches & h0es" due to the rise of rap music.

The black woman was no longer someone to admire & respect due to hip-hop street culture and later on "thot" rap in which the black woman degraded and belittled herself.

Rap Music was the worse thing that ever happened to R&B music.

Damn

Naw if anything it revealed the truth, R&B
was how simps were made

 

[RaspberryFitted]

1994-1996 were definitely the most important time period of the genre

 

[RaspberryFitted]

Naw if anything it revealed the truth, R&B
was how simps were made

No they weren’t

 

[The Connoisseurs]

No they weren’t

Those Disney fairy tale love songs were fantasies. it’s funny because most R&B singers know they singing BS

(I’m talking 90’s/2000 R&B to be specific)

 

[RaspberryFitted]

Those Disney fairy tale love songs were fantasies. it’s funny because most R&B singers know they singing BS

(I’m talking 90’s/2000 R&B to be specific)

Was this song a fantasy when I played it for a chick who genuinely thought I was gon stay her man & stop putting her through hell?

 

[The Connoisseurs]

Was this song a fantasy when I played it for a chick who genuinely thought I was gon stay her man & stop putting her through hell?

You knew the game not everyone is you. I know grave makers who don’t listen to rap and only bang R&B. That doesn’t stop the notion that a lot of dudes who knew girls gravitated towards that music
, ain’t really want a sensitive soft dude.

 

[FeverPitch2]

Naw if anything it revealed the truth, R&B
was how simps were made

Not true.
R&B singers come from the same hoods that rappers came from.
Diana Ross is from the Brewster Projects.
Many Motown singers ran bytches to supplement their income (Tempts, Smokey, Berry Gordy himself)
You can run up on the R&B singers of the past if you wanted.
The Dramatics and The Isley Brothers were known for gunplay, being HOH, and general thuggery.
The difference is that prior to the 90's, Black folks cared about decorum and kept their dirty laundry offstage.
Read books by old school singers like Etta James and Bettye LaVette. There was nothing sweet about entertainers from that time.
There was just as much guns being toted then as there is now.
Miles Davis talked about how pretty, classy, and smooth Billy Eckstine was,

but off stage he was rough, rugged, and raw.
Miles said Mr. B. would fukk anybody up who stepped out of line with him.
What you're talking about is how the industry left R&B high and dry in the 80's
Much of the artistic creativity seen in the 70's was gone because R&B artists were trying to score hits to survive.
That stale period allowed hip-hop to rise.

 

[The Connoisseurs]

Not true.
R&B singers come from the same hoods that rappers came from.
Diana Ross is from the Brewster Projects.
Many Motown singers ran bytches to supplement their income (Tempts, Smokey, Berry Gordy himself)
You can run up on the R&B singers of the past if you wanted.
The Dramatics and The Isley Brothers were known for gunplay, being HOH, and general thuggery.
The difference is that prior to the 90's, Black folks cared about decorum and kept their dirty laundry offstage.
Read books by old school singers like Etta James and Bettye LaVette. There was nothing sweet about entertainers from that time.
There was just as much guns being toted then as there is now.
Miles Davis talked about how pretty, classy, and smooth Billy Eckstine was,

but off stage he was rough, rugged, and raw.
Miles said Mr. B. would fukk anybody up who stepped out of line with him.
What you're talking about is how the industry left R&B high and dry in the 80's
Much of the artistic creativity seen in the 70's was gone because R&B artists were trying to score hits to survive.
That stale period allowed hip-hop to rise.

I’m not talking about R&B singers being simps, shyt…compared to rappers they’re most likely to fight and defend themselves.

I’m talking about the consumers… that consumed it in the 90’s/2000’s