There is a serious risk of a Constitutional Convention being called

☑︎#VoteDemocrat

The Original
WOAT
Supporter
Joined
Dec 9, 2012
Messages
325,842
Reputation
-34,126
Daps
632,934
Reppin
The Deep State




Conservatives call for constitutional intervention last seen 230 years ago

Conservatives call for constitutional intervention last seen 230 years ago
Lawmakers push for ‘constitutional convention’ to restrict federal government – and it’s not as far fetched as it sounds
Jamiles LarteySat 11 Aug 2018 17.25 BST
It’s been more than 230 years since America’s last constitutional convention, but there is growing confidence in some conservative circles that the next one is right around the corner – and could spell disaster for entitlement programs like medicare and social security, as well court decisions like Roe v Wade.

“I think we’re three or four years away,” said the former Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn on Friday, speaking at the annual convention for American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec) – a powerful rightwing organization that links corporate lobbyists with state lawmakers from across the country.

Coburn, a veteran Republican lawmaker, now works as a senior adviser for the advocacy group Convention of States, which seeks to use a little known clause in article V of the US constitution to call a constitutional convention for new amendments to dramatically restrict the power of the federal government.

Coburn, who retired from the Senate in 2010, said that the American republic is “failing”, and that such a convention is the “only answer” to the problems the country faces today.

“We’re in a battle for the future of our country,” Coburn told the assembly of mostly conservative state lawmakers meeting in New Orleans. “We’re either going to become a socialist, Marxist country like western Europe, or we’re going to be free. As far as me and my family and my guns, I’m going to be free.”

Convention of States, with Alec’s support, is one of three prominent conservative groups pushing for a new constitutional convention. Under article V, if two-thirds of state legislatures so choose, they can force congress to convene such a meeting. On the agenda for Convention of States: an amendment to require a balanced budget, term limits for congress, repealing the federal income tax and giving states the power to veto any federal law, supreme court decision or executive order with a three-fifths vote from the states.

“The only chance we have to restore this country, that is peaceful, is this convention,” said Jim Moyer, a Convention of States supporter and attendee at the Alec annual meeting.

It’s not as far fetched as it sounds. A coalition seeking just the balanced budget amendment currently has 28 out of the required 34 state legislatures on board, with active bills calling for a convention. Since Trump’s election, Arizona and Wyominghave both passed bills to join in the call while Maryland, Nevada and New Mexicohave repealed versions they had previously put on the books.

crafting something new entirely.

Coburn cited the three-fourths barrier – three out of four states need to agree for any proposal made to become law – a firewall to concerns over “runaway”. “All it takes is 13 judiciary chairmen, in 13 states, to stop anything stupid that might come out of that,” Coburn said. “Nothing’s going to happen, I’ll stake my life on that.”

The panelists broadly tabbed “liberals” as the opposition to their hopes, but the politics of an article V convention aren’t so cut and dry. Some of the most virulent opposition to the movement has arisen in the far right John Birch Society which argues that a convention could “rewrite our constitution and destroy its protection of our rights”.

Conversely, some liberal groups have also pushed for an article V convention in response to the supreme court’s 2010 Citizens United ruling as a means to winnow back the influence of money in politics. A group called Wolf Pac leading that charge and has secured legislation in five of the 34 required states.

Tom Buford, a Republican state senator from Kentucky, said he’s been to both of the “simulations” that Convention of States has staged – including one held in 2016 at Colonial Williamsburg complete with period costumes and wigs.

“I support their thought, I’m OK with it, but I’m not the poster child,” Buford said. He thinks some of the proposals, like veto power over the supreme court go too far, and said that decades in state government have shown him the limitations of things like balanced budget amendments.

“A balanced budget amendment is a nice idea, and it will make people feel happy if that amendment were to pass but it wont solve the problem,” Buford said. Kentucky (like every other state besides Vermont) has a balanced budget clause in its state constitution, but lawmakers routinely find ways around.
 

Secure Da Bag

Veteran
Joined
Dec 20, 2017
Messages
42,514
Reputation
21,882
Daps
132,240
Heard this was a Koch brothers idea. They claim they want to keep America from being "socialist", but what is the real purpose of them wanting a convention?
 

MrWestGrand

The Negotiator
Joined
Sep 9, 2012
Messages
4,487
Reputation
1,128
Daps
13,397
Reppin
Bay Area
Blacks 5th & 14th Amendment rights get violated on full display, and non blacks and whites don’t bat an eyeglass. Who and what is the target this time...
 

FAH1223

Go Wizards, Go Terps, Go Packers!
Staff member
Supporter
Joined
May 16, 2012
Messages
76,914
Reputation
9,305
Daps
230,577
Reppin
WASHINGTON, DC
ive been worried about this for a long time. people dont talk about it as much as the senate and house but taking governors mansions away from republicans is essential this fall

Many of us here pointed to this fact after 2016. The GOP is just a couple state legislatures away. The Dems re-took NJ last year at Governor level.

Gotta get more Governorships. Several opportunities this year
 

Propaganda

Superstar
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
5,561
Reputation
1,370
Daps
18,465
Reppin
416
to me, it looks like the democrats and left haven't done anything but pat themselves on the back for electing barack obama 10 years ago. nothing of any substance at least. cuz everything else other than the presidency in the us had turned starkly right/republican during his 8 years. everything.

and now, they have everything...the judiciaries, governorships, even smaller local postions, like school board heads and shyt. etc. all together, all that stuff matters, big time. and that's even before we're including the fact that the goddamn entire congress is controlled by republicans.

and ALL that's even before we're including the fact that donald fukking trump is the fukking president of the united fukking states.

y'all have to go hard, not just at trump as the figurehead, but at EVERY level.
 

GPBear

The Tape Crusader
Joined
Mar 9, 2015
Messages
20,114
Reputation
4,775
Daps
67,443
Reppin
Bay-to-PDX
Claim to be conservative/lover of classic American political ideals while simultaneously asking for a complete overhaul of the constitutoon :heh:

They way they talk is like they’re either demented or speaking to 4th graders

But considering corporate lobbyists have bought out the politicians, who knows
 
Top