There will be NO direct flights from Kenya to Harlem

[Rekkapryde]

I posted an old thread about the public response to this topic in Haiti

No Alphabet Soup in my Soup Joumou

In my opinion, the religions adopted by Africans on the continent and in the diaspora incorporated elements of their original indigenous cultural beliefs. The academic term is syncretism. I believe aversion to homosexuality would have been present in most of those belief systems and cultures....pre Christianity, and pre-Islam


B-breaking was a myth, pretty much. The term was coined and and the stories were exaggerated to sell content. We've been calling BS on it for going on 3 years now.

Certain there were instances of rape and sexual exploitation of men and boys throughout history of slave colonies, but again...stories packaged and exaggerated to sell content.

Coli historian xoxodede , and others would confirm.

I do agree that the shyt has been wildly exaggerated over the years....but we know why

 

[Thegospel]

Dude is making Broke Back Mutombo

That was funny. Africans in here catchin feelings lol

 

[thekyuke]

With Africans and Caribbeans, is anti-gay sentiment about religion or would those feelings exist even if everyone was atheist?

Can't really tell was drives it.

Figure the Caribbeans had to deal with slave masters "buck breaking" shyt so they might feel some type of way about anything homosexual.

Dude! We had our own pre colonial cultures millennia before the Cacs landed on us! We Kikuyus like most for example NEVER even had words for this LGBTIQ F'ERY.
Many don't know and even less will admit BUT a few of us, a select few ACTUALLY have culturally accepted fakkitry. You can ID these groups by certain universal characteristics:
-a high level of narcissism
- a contempt for behavioural mores incl human life itself
- endless squabbles and intra and interpersonal violence
- they have nouns for types of fakkitry, ie the passive male, temporary or situational fakkit, cross dresser etc, etc.
In the interest of Black Peace I won't name the 2 groups so pls don't ask.

 

[Samori Toure]

Dude! We had our own pre colonial cultures millennia before the Cacs landed on us! We Kikuyus like most for example NEVER even had words for this LGBTIQ F'ERY.
Many don't know and even less will admit BUT a few of us, a select few ACTUALLY have culturally accepted fakkitry. You can ID these groups by certain universal characteristics:
-a high level of narcissism
- a contempt for behavioural mores incl human life itself
- endless squabbles and intra and interpersonal violence
- they have nouns for types of fakkitry, ie the passive male, temporary or situational fakkit, cross dresser etc, etc.
In the interest of Black Peace I won't name the 2 groups so pls don't ask.

Why you even arguing with these nikkas? These nikkas wear dreadlocks everyday, but they have no idea that modern dreadlocks came into to vogue because of Jomo Kenyata and his band of Mau Mau revolutionaries in Kenya fighting against England and English colonists. The English soldiers referred to that hairstyle that the Mau Mau wore as those "dreaded locs." So you don't have to defend Kenyan history to a bunch of dudes that think the dreaded locs are from nikkas like Bob Marley and a bunch of Caribbean nikkas because they don't even know where the culture and set they ride for comes from.

The Journey of Dreadlocks: From the Forest of Kenya to the Corporate Offices of America

 

[get these nets]

The ban on "Rafiki" ("friend" in Swahili) was later overturned by a court, and the film opened to sold-out audiences in Nairobi.

Kenyans:

They likely billed it as a softcore porno.

Film poster was probably provocative.

Bait and switch.

*just jokes

The Euros in metro Nairobi likely made up the bulk of the theater goers when it opened

"Rafiki", a lesbian love story which became the first Kenyan movie to premiere at the Cannes film festival.

Kenyans and members of their diasporans have been making films for decades. First one that the international press reacts favorably to,.and accepted to Cannes is a film about a lesbian couple.
Probably an average film in terms of technique and story telling, but that Alphabet Soup stimulus package brought attention to it.

Same film with a hetero couple, and maybe exploring an Inter-ethnic relationship in Kenya would be ignored by the cinema industry in Europe. And not get a shot for international distribution.

It's a joke.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

That was funny. Africans in here catchin feelings lol

It's not funny. It just screams I think Africa is a Country and I know dude smarter than that.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

They likely billed it as a softcore porno.

Film poster was probably provocative.

Bait and switch.

*just jokes

The Euros in metro Nairobi likely made up the bulk of the theater goers when it opened



Kenyans and members of their diasporans have been making films for decades. First one that the international press reacts favorably to,.and accepted to Cannes is a film about a lesbian couple.
Probably an average film in terms of technique and story telling, but that Alphabet Soup stimulus package brought attention to it.

Same film with a hetero couple, and maybe exploring an Inter-ethnic relationship in Kenya would be ignored by the cinema industry in Europe. And not get a shot for international distribution.

It's a joke.

Yup not a coincidence.

They use media to perpetuate cultural genocide. Highlight whatever suits their propaganda. Most African movies that even got on for a long time have a white savior depicted just like in America until Black people started telling their own stories

 

[MischievousMonkey]

With Africans and Caribbeans, is anti-gay sentiment about religion or would those feelings exist even if everyone was atheist?

Can't really tell was drives it.

Figure the Caribbeans had to deal with slave masters "buck breaking" shyt so they might feel some type of way about anything homosexual.

Surveys seem to show that this sentiment is spread across the population regardless of religious belief, social status and economic class.

I know of one that was conducted in Benin.

The religious angle follows the same principle as another argument, that pretends that "patriarchy" on the continent is a fruit imported from colonialism, and not, even partially, locally grown.

 

[Premeditated]

Kenyans:

lol.

Kenyan stay exposing how soft they are, now they support batty business. smh

edit: so it was a lesbian flick? aight, nevermind

 

[Neuromancer]

Rafiki", a lesbian love story which became the first Kenyan movie to premiere at the Cannes film festival.

Why was it the first one from Kenya to premiere? Was that the first movie out of Kenya?

 

[Cat piss martini]

good.

 

[invalid]

In my opinion, the religions adopted by Africans on the continent and in the diaspora incorporated elements of their original indigenous cultural beliefs. The academic term is syncretism. I believe aversion to homosexuality would have been present in most of those belief systems and cultures....pre Christianity, and pre-Islam

Eh...I’ve seen some people cite sources that same-sex behavior was present in many pre-colonial west african societies. There was not a ‘word’ for gay or lgbt and it certainly was not a ‘lifestyle’ like it is in the west but the behavior appears to have been there.

This video was circulating on African twitter the other day. It’s a video of a referee from Ghana. I’ll just say, african men are comfortable with other men in a way that wouldn’t fly in the west.



This video has
1) Ref moving his body like he throws it back on the regular.
2) Men cheering him on.
3) Men dancing with him.
4) Men video taping every move like they filming a flick.

There was a video circulating Nigerian twitter of drunk Nigerian soldiers simulating sex with other men. They were all clothed but it was too graphic for this forum.

Based off of videos that I’ve seen through social media from locals, I’m not sure I believe folks when they say this stuff wasn’t already present in their societies before judeo-christian/Islamic religions.

 

[get these nets]

Yup not a coincidence.

They use media to perpetuate cultural genocide. Highlight whatever suits their propaganda. Most African movies that even got on for a long time have a white savior depicted just like in America until Black people started telling their own stories

Yeah, entertainment companies influence and still somewhat dictate the direction of filmmakers by dangling money and media coverage at them.

The playing field in terms of storytelling is more level than it's ever been, thanks to the internet and the reach of digital platforms.*
So at least now, people can seek out films outside of the studio systems.

Pre pandemic era, I used to check out the ADFF in the city each Winter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NYADIFF


Always had friends, acquaintances, and relatives from different cultures so I could pick up a few of the details of international films. Lot of cultural stuff went over my head, but could follow and enjoy the story.

 

[get these nets]

Eh...I’ve seen some people cite sources that same-sex behavior was present in many pre-colonial west african societies. There was not a ‘word’ for gay or lgbt and it certainly was not a ‘lifestyle’ like it is in the west but the behavior appears to have been there.

This video was circulating on African twitter the other day. It’s a video of a referee from Ghana. I’ll just say, african men are comfortable with other men in a way that wouldn’t fly in the west.



There was a video circulating Nigerian twitter of drunk Nigerian soldiers simulating sex with other men. They were all clothed but it was too graphic for this forum.

Based off of videos that I’ve seen through social media, I’m not sure I believe folks when they say this stuff wasn’t present in their societies.

I said that the aversion to homosexuality isn't necessarily a function of Africans(diasporans) adopting Christianity or Islam.

BrotherMouzone posed the question of whether the opposition would exist in African/Caribbean cultures if the people were atheist.

I speculated that in many of the cultures that there was an aversion/stigma to homosexuality. That it wasn't introduced to us through the Christian lens, but maybe reinforced.

*From a practical standpoint, how useful were men who wouldn't produce children to a family, clan, or nation state?

 

[invalid]

I said that the aversion to homosexuality isn't necessarily a function of Africans(diasporans) adopting Christianity or Islam.

You may be right. I guess what I’m saying is that based off of sources that I’ve seen people cite, that this may be up in the air. I have not delved enough into pre-colonial or classical African kingdoms to know for sure.

There have been documented cases of societies, after being introduced to Christianity, taking a hard stance against same sex behavior. Like the Celts. If one society reacts in that manner, I don’t see how others wouldn’t react in a similar fashion.

Whatever the case, I am not opposed to sovereign African countries deciding how homosexuality fits within their culture or not. It’s up to them. I’m opposed to human rights violations but if it’s that bad, maybe they should leave.