TheVerge: Apple tells Microsoft to put up or shut up over Xbox profitability

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“Wright’s testimony set off a day of confusion over whether Microsoft actually makes money selling Xbox hardware. Apple is now asking the judge for an “adverse credibility finding,” basically a determination that Wright’s testimony can’t be trusted because of irregularities in document production.”


“And at the center of it all is Microsoft’s profit-and-loss analysis for the Xbox hardware, which no one on the Apple side has seen. It’s worth remembering here that Apple and Microsoft have been locked in heated competition for decades now, and while Apple doesn’t have a product competing specifically against the Xbox, the broader companies are tied up in a delicate balance of fierce competition and business cooperation. As a result, Microsoft really does not want to give Apple sensitive financial data about the Xbox — and Apple sees the P&L statement as a way to punch back at Microsoft for getting involved in the App Store fight in the first place.

“A big part of the legal fight is over which documents can be used in the trial and which parts of those documents can be blacked out to conceal trade secrets or other information the companies would rather not get out. The companies’ lawyers have been going back and forth on these tiny details for months; it’s just what lawyers do.”

“But it’s fair to say this case has been unusually chaotic — either because of the remote nature of the trial or the sheer volume of different companies involved. A lot of information has come out of the discovery in this case, and not all of it was supposed to. Now, Microsoft is caught between giving up information that could help in court and giving up business secrets to a longtime rival. Microsoft wants Epic to win this case, and it’s willing to talk about Xbox profitability if it helps to make that happen. But giving up that information in open court might be a bridge too far.

After Xbox testimony, Apple tells Microsoft to put up or shut up

All this makes you really wonder what Microsoft is so desperate to hide? Why all the secrecy around the xbox hardware and service numbers? What are they afraid of people knowing?:jbhmm:

Either way it seems that Microsoft threw themselves in some mess they weren’t prepared to go all in on. Apples Lawyers are gonna dog walk them through this next week unless they put those numbers up. Microsoft stopped reporting console sales years ago, well it looks like we will finally get some hard numbers soon and its gonna be a sight of beauty
 
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Xbox been hiding their numbers for years because they been last, they just gonna tell apple how many loss leading game pass subs they have instead :mjlol:
Yea its still been common knowledge though the XBOX hardware division has never made a single penny from MS...

Live service makes bank for them, that's why XBOX is still around...

How long MS remains in the hardware market is very much in question with the success of Game Pass...
 

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Yea its still been common knowledge though the XBOX hardware division has never made a single penny from MS...

Live service makes bank for them, that's why XBOX is still around...

How long MS remains in the hardware market is very much in question with the success of Game Pass...
Before the internet brainwashed individuals this was the reality...

But Xbox made profits off it's console by year 2 of the 360 era. Sony made profits too after the slim model. Cell and Blu-Ray cost more, but I hear you. just Google it if you wanna come back to reality :gucci:
 

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Actually I think they don’t wanna give apple a peak cause apple might think about jumping i. Game hardware and all apple stans gonna cop :dead:

Apple really doesn’t need to see Microsofts books to know that. I’m sure they’ve actively looked into putting out a dedicated gaming platform over the years and they have access to nintendo and playstations sales just like we do.

They’re pushing for Microsoft to reveal their numbers to discredit their argument about being software/3rd party dependent dependent, and now that they aren’t willing to share their numbers it makes microsoft look like they’re deliberately hiding it to save face which is even worse. None of this information about sony and microsoft losing sales on hardware is new information to them

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Before the internet brainwashed individuals this was the reality...

But Xbox made profits off it's console by year 2 of the 360 era. Sony made profits too after the slim model. Cell and Blu-Ray cost more, but I hear you. just Google it if you wanna come back to reality :gucci:
Didn't Microsoft lose like a billion because of the red ring of death?
 
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