Things you didn't notice on The Wire until multiple watches
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wheres this from? some dvd extra or something? ive only seen the episodes... i have started a blu-ray collection but i was gonna get sopranos first
VegetasHairline
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This thread and the clips/lore on YouTube got me dropping Slim Charles quotes
threattonature
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Off the top of my head wasn't McNulty crying after Kima got shot. Especially while in the hospital.
Dem313wayz
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I absolutely despise people who try to get all holier than thou and hype season 2.
Like no shyt it was “important”—-it’s a chain in a long link of a story. But tv-wise it was subpar bc of the characters it tried to focus on—-Sabotka and his nephew
They were fukking TERRIBLE
Simon and co were not perfect. I genuinely think they didn’t realize how bad them dudes would convey to the Wire’s core audience. They legit planned for them to get the show to a broader audience. They were wrong. Those two dudes were neither protagonist or antagonist, just unlikeable, unrelatable. But given plot armor.Sabotka nephew bossing the plug around, flexing on prop Joe. 
Just goofy shyt, The Wire would have been canceled after another season with them
Like no shyt it was “important”—-it’s a chain in a long link of a story. But tv-wise it was subpar bc of the characters it tried to focus on—-Sabotka and his nephew
They were fukking TERRIBLESimon and co were not perfect. I genuinely think they didn’t realize how bad them dudes would convey to the Wire’s core audience. They legit planned for them to get the show to a broader audience. They were wrong. Those two dudes were neither protagonist or antagonist, just unlikeable, unrelatable. But given plot armor.
Sabotka nephew bossing the plug around, flexing on prop Joe. Just goofy shyt, The Wire would have been canceled after another season with themHow you don’t remember Mcnulty crying when Kima got shot
Carver was ‘upset’ but I’m pretty sure was also crying when Kima got shot
Sidnor was crying when Kima got shot
Kima’s girl was crying when they cut to her alone at the crib
Omar cried after Brandon got killed and maybe after Butchie got killed (haven’t caught up to the later seasons yet, can’t remember)
Chris might have cried when he went OD on Mike’s pops (this one is probably a reach)
Other than Mcnulty and the women none of these are straight up boo boo crying but
Edit: end of s2, Ziggy cried after shooting Gleekas, and his cousin the obnoxious sabotka nephew cried too. In that tryhard ass scene geez they were terrible
Edit 2: Wallace cried pleading for his life
Edit 3: Bubbles might have cried in s1 when he and white boy was feenin and found out they had baking soda
but definitely when Sherrod OD’d
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The Devil's Advocate
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He didn't do none of that... Main complaints about that season are from people who wasn't really watchingI absolutely despise people who try to get all holier than thou and hype season 2.
Like no shyt it was “important”—-it’s a chain in a long link of a story. But tv-wise it was subpar bc of the characters it tried to focus on—-Sabotka and his nephew
Simon and co were not perfect. I genuinely think they didn’t realize how bad them dudes would convey to the Wire’s core audience. They legit planned for them to get the show to a broader audience. They were wrong. Those two dudes were neither protagonist or antagonist, just unlikeable, unrelatable. But given plot armor.
Frank stopped moving all crates... Nephew stepped up like I'm gonna do it behind his back IF you get these nikkas off Ziggy... That was the ONLY reason he could move how he moved. Cause without him, they'd be dead in the water moving shipments with Frank quitting
Basically showed how the entire first season of nikkas wasn't the ones owning or moving shyt and really relied on the true plug and the white boys at the harbor, who somehow, always avoid the press of the drug trade
I’m literally watching right now
You talking drug logistics (that a 5 year old could), im talking acting. Production. Good tv
The nephew was neither antagonist or protagonist. His acting was shyt. He was not relatable nor likeable, not someone you root for or against. Which is rare for Wire characters. It was a misfire by production. And they tried to give him endearing moments like they do for all main characters. After ziggy shoots ol boy they show nephew on a merry go round crying and giving a speech
it didn’t stick. Same for sabotka. Same for Ziggy with his pet duck. None of this hit.All that ‘nah yo they had to show the ports’ is from people who don’t know how tv works. Production thought they needed to highlight a white cast but it didn’t pop. They didn’t make that mistake again.
threattonature
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You white or black?I’m literally watching right now
You talking drug logistics (that a 5 year old could), im talking acting. Production. Good tv
The nephew was neither antagonist or protagonist. His acting was shyt. He was not relatable nor likeable, not someone you root for or against. Which is rare for Wire characters. It was a misfire by production. And they tried to give him endearing moments like they do for all main characters. After ziggy shoots ol boy they show nephew on a merry go round crying and giving a speech
All that ‘nah yo they had to show the ports’ is from people who don’t know how tv works. Production thought they needed to highlight a white cast but it didn’t pop. They didn’t make that mistake again.
I only ask but I think you're missing something that makes the show great in my opinion. Everything is shades of gray. So the way a lot of us black folks look at season 1 and a lot root for Stringer and Avon and don't look at them as bad guys for selling drugs because we understand that type of story, there are a lot of people who watch and root for the cops to take them down as they view the drug dealers as bad guys because they don't relate to them.
Same with season 2. We see the smug ass white guys and how entitled they act and can't relate to them and don't view them as someone to root for or as sympathetic. While on the flip side there are a lot of white people who see them and relate to them who do get behind their story. shyt go to the reddit board for The Wire and see how many of them love Frank and Nick (I think Ziggy is universally hated). So while you don't fukk with them there are plenty that find them relatable.
The Devil's Advocate
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Your original post didn't have NONE of that shyt you talking about now. You literally talked about how the plot points of the nephew backing down Prop Joe (he didn't, plug sent Boris)... And how the Nephew bossed on the plug (never fukking happened).I’m literally watching right now
You talking drug logistics (that a 5 year old could), im talking acting. Production. Good tv
The nephew was neither antagonist or protagonist. His acting was shyt. He was not relatable nor likeable, not someone you root for or against. Which is rare for Wire characters. It was a misfire by production. And they tried to give him endearing moments like they do for all main characters. After ziggy shoots ol boy they show nephew on a merry go round crying and giving a speech
All that ‘nah yo they had to show the ports’ is from people who don’t know how tv works. Production thought they needed to highlight a white cast but it didn’t pop. They didn’t make that mistake again.
And you’re repeating my points just with different words. ‘shades of gray’. Uh yea, I am assuming we all know that. Which is what I mean when I say ‘they are neither relateable or likeable, not someone you root for or agaisnt, which is rare for Wire characters’
They have far too big a role to be such bland characters. And it’s not just race, as mcnulty, templeton, carcetti, Rawls nailed their roles and made us feel something one way or another
And I personally don’t care what white boy Redditors gravitate to. And quite frankly neither did David Simon, as the wire went back to being a black-centric show the remaining 4 seasons.
Here is the scene:
He’s an obnoxious character. What makes the show great is you have all these characters who show a certian amount of restraint and complexity. Discipline, code. Tact, ‘charm’ even. You see it here with Sergei and Joe.
Yet here comes Nick and Frank dragging their nuts all season. No complexity. Even Nick’s scene with mcnultys ex seeing his folks house, like who does this ngga think he is. And no, it doesn’t add anything to the show. Wasted space. The sabotkas were a stark departure and quite frankly we don’t see any character like that again
And I misspoke, it was Frank that talked greasy to the Greek, not Nick. Same description above applies.
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Right. He pulled this out of his arse to buttress his point.