This thread again: is there any way to get rid of parties or add more?

[dora_da_destroyer]

Parties have made government ineffective IMO. People don’t vote based on real issues - size of government, government involvement in/regulation of the economy, taxes, social services rendered, and high level civil liberties/personal rights (not these micro identities and issues - trans bathroom use, gun nuts, religious freaks, immigrant amnesty and entitlements - that have jacked the conversation and created stalemates between politicians and voters)


At this point people see party affiliation almost like race or religion which hampers critical thinking by voters and allows (or requires) politicians to be blanketed by party level platforms instead of being able to stand on their own, especially beyond the state level.


Overall I’m continually more frustrated by both parties at the national level and really wish we could deconstruct party affiliation for an ability to really identify with politicians individually. I also think it would make for a more effective legislative branch.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

@Crude Abolitionist whats your status

 

[AnonymityX1000]

No, this idea is just too sensible and makes too much sense so it will never happen. lol
The problem is the two party system protects itself from the changes you are forwarding and they make the laws/rules to elections so they have no interest in changing. They would have to be forced and it would take drastic measures to force them. Is the electorate up for that? Not yet but the situation will eventually be intolerable and regular people will demand change.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

No, this idea is just too sensible and makes too much sense so it will never happen. lol
The problem is the two party system protects itself from the changes you are forwarding and they make the laws/rules to elections so they have no interest in changing. They would have to be forced and it would take drastic measures to force them. Is the electorate up for that? Not yet but the situation will eventually be intolerable and regular people will demand change.

Yea, it would require politicians to actually earn their spot...*sigh*

 

[AnonymityX1000]

My state had a few ballot measures this past election where you just voted yes or no on a new law. It got me to thinking, isn't the entire legislative branch kind of bloated? Do we need both the House and the Senate? Why can't we eliminate one and have the other just propose ballot measures? We vote on those ballot measures creating new laws or changing existing ones and the president isn't even allowed to veto since it is the will of the people. Maybe it can be challenged in court if a law is unfair in practice. But that really is the only review necessary. You can even reduce the president's role to a glorified embassador under this model.

 

[JJ Evans]

Parties have made government ineffective IMO.

If I remember correctly, you’re one of the posters that I would catch caping for the Republicans and Trump sometimes.

So. It’s no wonder that you’re attempting to convince people to waste their vote on a 3rd party candidate that has absolutely no chance of winning the big one. That would mean less votes for the Democrats, which would make Trump and the republicans very happy.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1. Ranked Choice Voting
2. Parliamentary systems
3. Government, legislative office, is SUPPOSED to be slow and laborious. You don't want volatility.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

If I remember correctly, you’re one of the posters that I would catch caping for the Republicans and Trump sometimes.

So. It’s no wonder that you’re attempting to convince people to waste their vote on a 3rd party candidate that has absolutely no chance of winning the big one. That would mean less votes for the Democrats, which would make Trump and the republicans very happy.

You have never seen me post in support of trump, nikka please. If I ever post in support of Republicans it’s regarding taxes here in ca - not even nationally. FOH

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

My state had a few ballot measures this past election where you just voted yes or no on a new law. It got me to thinking, isn't the entire legislative branch kind of bloated? Do we need both the House and the Senate? Why can't we eliminate one and have the other just propose ballot measures? We vote on those ballot measures creating new laws or changing existing ones and the president isn't even allowed to veto since it is the will of the people. Maybe it can be challenged in court if a law is unfair in practice. But that really is the only review necessary. You can even reduce the president's role to a glorified embassador under this model.

Leaving all legislation in the hands of the people is dangerous, so I do believe in more balanced representation for legislation, but the party system impedes the ability to elect a truly diverse, representative set of legislators

 

[hashmander]

Leaving all legislation in the hands of the people is dangerous, so I do believe in more balanced representation for legislation, but the party system impedes the ability to elect a truly diverse, representative set of legislators

yeah you end up like california with all those ballot initiatives that sound all great and then you have to get funding for them.

anyway i don't think getting rid of parties is the answer, more viable ones are though.

 

[acri1]

Almost any Democracy ends up with two major parties, it's very hard for things to turn out otherwise. This video does a pretty good job explaining why -






Really, the only feasible way out is Ranked Choice Voting.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Almost any Democracy ends up with two major parties, it's very hard for things to turn out otherwise. This video does a pretty good job explaining why -






Really, the only feasible way out is Ranked Choice Voting.

1. Ranked Choice Voting
2. Parliamentary systems
3. Government, legislative office, is SUPPOSED to be slow and laborious. You don't want volatility.

 

[DEAD7]

Single nonpartisan ballots for primaries and ranked choice voting would go a loooooong way.

 

[No1]

Parties have made government ineffective IMO. People don’t vote based on real issues - size of government, government involvement in/regulation of the economy, taxes, social services rendered, and high level civil liberties/personal rights (not these micro identities and issues - trans bathroom use, gun nuts, religious freaks, immigrant amnesty and entitlements - that have jacked the conversation and created stalemates between politicians and voters)


At this point people see party affiliation almost like race or religion which hampers critical thinking by voters and allows (or requires) politicians to be blanketed by party level platforms instead of being able to stand on their own, especially beyond the state level.


Overall I’m continually more frustrated by both parties at the national level and really wish we could deconstruct party affiliation for an ability to really identify with politicians individually. I also think it would make for a more effective legislative branch.

As someone pointed out, what you're looking for is ranked choice voting or a parliamentary system. That said, the parties only ever looked semi-unified because American was so overwhelmingly white and uniform on certain social issues like marriage. As it stands, the majority of the working class are millennials, the most diverse generation ever and 88% of Republicans are white. Republicans are conservative and the Democratic coalition is held together by hating Republicans as opposed to a governing principle. There is little incentive to push things forward when, if you're a Dem--the only opposition you really have is internal because everyone has to fall in line for funding and because look at those crazy Republicans. To fix American politics you need to (1) take the money out of politics and (2) install ranked choice voting.

 

[Geek Nasty]

I've thought about this. I think one way is much stricter finance reform. Basically make it illegal to for parties to donate any kind of resources to campaigns, stop all sharing of contributions between candidates, etc. Go with instant runoff voting that makes it more likely people will vote their conscience first.

Don't list party affiliations on ballots. But none of that will happen in a 2-party monopoly.