This turn around will humble the right people

[Bledswole]

Wall "can be" the best player, but when was he EVER consistent for a long "enough" period of time? He's usually the reason we lose games, because of that inconsistency. Brad is better, Otto is better because they both are consistent. And John is still trying to find his game which is odd this late in his career. Some games he's the man, others he's the problem.

Basically if John, Brad and Otto took 20 shots each. John would CLEARLY have the least amount of points. Ramon Sessions can do everything John can do except finish. We can find another drive and dish PG and still be successful. I.T., a Rozier, that Toronto backup

John is like the best scrub to ever touch a basketball because he's supposed to be one of the best to do it

Man shut the fukk up,this post is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start

 

[PS5 Pro]

Man shut the fukk up,this post is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start

You can't deny it, You saw it yesterday. If John played he would have taken shots away from everyone else, basically, in his absence the rest of the team was forced to be more locked in, engaged. Bradley had the lions of the extra shots, he showcases why he's the man. Otto played his role but showcased why he isn't ready to be the hnic. When wall comes back some people's game will suffer because of it.

When John can make everyone better and have a good game himself? Then he's the best on the team. So far this year he's been trash

 

[Bledswole]

You can't deny it, You saw it yesterday. If John played he would have taken shots away from everyone else, basically, in his absence the rest of the team was forced to be more locked in, engaged. Bradley had the lions of the extra shots, he showcases why he's the man. Otto played his role but showcased why he isn't ready to be the hnic. When wall comes back some people's game will suffer because of it.

When John can make everyone better and have a good game himself? Then he's the best on the team. So far this year he's been trash

I can deny it

And I've said numerous times he's off to a slow start this year,but he's always off to a slow start,he usually picks it up after Christmas.

Wall is still the best player on the Wizards by far when he's playing up to his abilities,and is the 3rd best PG in the league

 

[mastermind]

Wall been playing like garbage.

I think he a more complete player than Beal and better, but Beal is the guy who needs the ball in his hand at the end of games.

 

[PS5 Pro]

I can deny it

And I've said numerous times he's off to a slow start this year,but he's always off to a slow start,he usually picks it up after Christmas.

Wall is still the best player on the Wizards by far when he's playing up to his abilities,and is the 3rd best PG in the league

We agree for the most part, the issue is you haven't given in to the reality of wall. If, only if...he can be consistent he would be the best player on the team, possibly best pg in the league. He's NEVER been consistent throughout an entire season. Last year was his best season, his skill set sticks out but so does his flaws

Why is random no name PG ALWAYS getting the best of wall? He could block Shaq on a dunk attempt in one game, then let ish Smith score 50 the next. He barely outplayed Lonzo his playoff career consist of wins over Jeff Teague, Kyle L'weeee, who else? In the playoffs he steps it up, I'll give him that until we face the conference favorites. Then he has never delivered, so he can't get the benefit until he breaks thru. He don't take over like Gilbert did and that's what we need. To be continued...

Wall been playing like garbage.

I think he a more complete player than Beal and better, but Beal is the guy who needs the ball in his hand at the end of games.

That was true but not now imo. Beal's problem in the past was his handles when trying to create. He's not turning the ball over like he used to in those situations. He's scored 35+ over the last 4 games. If Beal was injured does anybody here think John would have done that

I know he did similar once or twice in his career. But if he can't do that now, I can't say he's better than Beal who is getting NOTICEABLY BETTER each year. John's has been more incremental if you don't count last year. So I feel Beal's ceiling (whatever that is) will be reached. John seems destined to be Chris Paul but for all the wrong reasons.

With that said, John has proven everyone wrong each year so

 

[Bledswole]

We agree for the most part, the issue is you haven't given in to the reality of wall. If, only if...he can be consistent he would be the best player on the team, possibly best pg in the league. He's NEVER been consistent throughout an entire season. Last year was his best season, his skill set sticks out but so does his flaws

Why is random no name PG ALWAYS getting the best of wall? He could block Shaq on a dunk attempt in one game, then let ish Smith score 50 the next. He barely outplayed Lonzo his playoff career consist of wins over Jeff Teague, Kyle L'weeee, who else? In the playoffs he steps it up, I'll give him that until we face the conference favorites. Then he has never delivered, so he can't get the benefit until he breaks thru. He don't take over like Gilbert did and that's what we need. To be continued...
That was true but not now imo. Beal's problem in the past was his handles when trying to create. He's not turning the ball over like he used to in those situations. He's scored 35+ over the last 4 games. If Beal was injured does anybody here think John would have done that

I know he did similar once or twice in his career. But if he can't do that now, I can't say he's better than Beal who is getting NOTICEABLY BETTER each year. John's has been more incremental if you don't count last year. So I feel Beal's ceiling (whatever that is) will be reached. John seems destined to be Chris Paul but for all the wrong reasons.

With that said, John has proven everyone wrong each year so

The reality is that he's the 3rd best PG in the league and best PG in the East,best player on the Wizards and has played very well the last few years,he has his flaws and down moments like everyone else,BUT as you said every year he makes people eat their words! He's off to a slow start like every other year that's it! Nothing else to see here

 

[mastermind]

That was true but not now imo. Beal's problem in the past was his handles when trying to create. He's not turning the ball over like he used to in those situations. He's scored 35+ over the last 4 games. If Beal was injured does anybody here think John would have done that

I know he did similar once or twice in his career. But if he can't do that now, I can't say he's better than Beal who is getting NOTICEABLY BETTER each year. John's has been more incremental if you don't count last year. So I feel Beal's ceiling (whatever that is) will be reached. John seems destined to be Chris Paul but for all the wrong reasons.

With that said, John has proven everyone wrong each year so

Beal is a better scorer, I am not denying that.

And I have always felt for this team to take any leap, Beal will have to be the guy at end of game situations because he can be a great scorer.

But Wall is the better player.

My issue with Wall is he talks so damn much. He talked about how he had a healthy training camp, but in his summer videos I saw him bricking jumpers and he still has a hitch. I dont know why no one has looked at it and tried to fix it.

He will never be a great half court player because of his jumper. Meanwhile Beal will be a great player in half court because he can shoot and find space for himself.

 

[Slic Ric]

He is better than Beal? Is he not?

Wall better than Kyrie too

 

[Bledswole]

 

[PS5 Pro]

Beal is a better scorer, I am not denying that.

And I have always felt for this team to take any leap, Beal will have to be the guy at end of game situations because he can be a great scorer.

But Wall is the better player.

My issue with Wall is he talks so damn much. He talked about how he had a healthy training camp, but in his summer videos I saw him bricking jumpers and he still has a hitch. I dont know why no one has looked at it and tried to fix it.

He will never be a great half court player because of his jumper. Meanwhile Beal will be a great player in half court because he can shoot and find space for himself.

So then what makes him better than Beal to you. Beal's a much better scorer, better finisher at the rim (that wasn't the case before) defense is similar with the edge slightly to wall. Outside of John's speed, I don't see how he's a better player. Better passer but if Beal was the PG I'm sure he'd average less but close in assist. I'd give him 8.something. That ain't enough in my book, what say you...

 

[mastermind]

So then what makes him better than Beal to you. Beal's a much better scorer, better finisher at the rim (that wasn't the case before) defense is similar with the edge slightly to wall. Outside of John's speed, I don't see how he's a better player. Better passer but if Beal was the PG I'm sure he'd average less but close in assist. I'd give him 8.something. That ain't enough in my book, what say you...

Wall is better at running the offense. Better creating offense for others. Better passer.

Better ball handler and he is still a better defender than Beal on the ball and is the Wizards rim protector.

Wall is better than Beal at finishing at the rim.



The Wizards defensive problems are down to Brooks.

Beal is a better scorer than Wall, which he should be and what a lot of us wanted to see.

 

[PS5 Pro]

Wall is better at running the offense. Better creating offense for others. Better passer.

Better ball handler and he is still a better defender than Beal on the ball and is the Wizards rim protector.

Wall is better than Beal at finishing at the rim.



The Wizards defensive problems are down to Brooks.

Beal is a better scorer than Wall, which he should be and what a lot of us wanted to see.

He's a better point guard than Beal, but a better player?

Sometimes he runs the team great, what about when he doesn't tho. That's the biggest issue, the inconsistency. When he's off he fukks up the rhythm of the entire team, and I think that makes us falsely believe it can't run right without him. What I saw yesterday was the team was able to be involved. John is great at hitting an open man BUT.. if that exact play doesn't happen, his ceiling drops considerably. As you said, he's not very good [I'd rather say consistent] in the half court. Doesn't most of a basketball game consist of half court play? Especially in the playoffs.

As for his defense, we know what he's capable of. We also know if he's facing a quick PG, especially a non household name? I think John is overrated until he proves he's not. There's a reason team USA passed on him

 

[mastermind]

He's a better point guard than Beal, but a better player?

Sometimes he runs the team great, what about when he doesn't tho. That's the biggest issue, the inconsistency. When he's off he fukks up the rhythm of the entire team, and I think that makes us falsely believe it can't run right without him. What I saw yesterday was the team was able to be involved. John is great at hitting an open man BUT.. if that exact play doesn't happen, his ceiling drops considerably. As you said, he's not very good [I'd rather say consistent] in the half court. Doesn't most of a basketball game consist of half court play? Especially in the playoffs.

As for his defense, we know what he's capable of. We also know if he's facing a quick PG, especially a non household name? I think John is overrated until he proves he's not. There's a reason team USA passed on him

Breh, you never liked Wall and its documented.

Wall is a better player than Beal. He doesnt get picked for Team USA because he cant shoot but I am not buying that Harrison Barnes is a better player than Wall.

 

[Bledswole]

So then what makes him better than Beal to you. Beal's a much better scorer, better finisher at the rim (that wasn't the case before) defense is similar with the edge slightly to wall. Outside of John's speed, I don't see how he's a better player. Better passer but if Beal was the PG I'm sure he'd average less but close in assist. I'd give him 8.something. That ain't enough in my book, what say you...

Dawg Beal ain't better than Wall,cmon man

 

[PS5 Pro]

Breh, you never liked Wall and its documented.

Wall is a better player than Beal. He doesnt get picked for Team USA because he cant shoot but I am not buying that Harrison Barnes is a better player than Wall.

I never liked wall? When he entered the league I didn't think he would pan out but never hate. I'm pretty sure I'm the resident New Wizard Order Wizkids ya dig #1 super fan. By riding with the squad since Mitchell butler I just don't put people over team. If I could quote 1million ants "I sense" the wizards might be a better team without wall. Not because he's trash, or any hatred you think i have. I just think it might be addition by subtraction. We can't find a backup PG because nobody wants to play behind wall. Just a question, Just throwing this out there... If we had a lesser PG would other guards wanna come with the thought process of they have a better shot at playing? Even Oladipo was like Rondo would be a perfect backup but probably like "I'm not trying to play 8min a game".

I understand the belief if everyone can gel, my concern is if John will hold up his end when it's crunch time. He's looked great against Atlanta!!!!!!!!!!!! But we talking next step. If we don't reach a finals THIS SEASON (and it's John's fault) then I'm off the wall train, give me Teague and Rondo for him straight up because John said this himself years ago...

Dawg Beal ain't better than Wall,cmon man

I'm about to make a thread asking this very question, let's see what the masses think

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I respect your opinions more than the masses