Those who never knew a world without Hip-hop taking it for granted...

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Most of us who were born in the 80's and later never (or barely) knew a world where hip-hop didn't exist. It was always a part of the world as we knew it, and its hard to imagine that there was a time period where there was no such thing as rap.
:ehh:

For the 90's babies I imagine its even crazier, because they grew up in a time where hip-hop already was dominant in pop culture, so they never knew a world where hip hop wasn't everywhere, radio, TV, commercials and the internet. (sidenote: they also may not be able to imagine a world where there was no internet)
:ohhh:

So what we see, especially on this board, but a lot of other places too, is a real disconnect between generations. We see a lot of these young :troll: disrespecting legends, making shock threads shytting all over albums considered as classics by the previous generation. shyt is disgusting.
:comeon:

The problem is that every generation lacks all perspective of the world that existed before they existed. Stay with me here for a second. I'm an 80's baby, so I'm now getting older, and having grown up in and on hip-hop, and in some ways feel I'm growing out of it (or at least what its become today), I started casually researching into the history of hip-hop. Doing this has placed music that I never clicked with in a whole new light. Its real easy for a 90's baby to look at the rhymes of a Kurtis Blow and call them elementary. Without any context, an ear tuned to today's rhymes schemes will hear that and :pachaha:

But once you do the history, it gives context to it. So I know there's a lot of fly by night, culture vulture, :skip: types floating around this part, and this isn't for you. One yaself.

But for those who truly connected with the music and culture, but don't know the real history behind the music, and how the culture developed, I implore you... do some research brehs. It will put everything you weren't here to experience in a different perspective.
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another one of these self-righteous "my generation is better than yours" thread? :stopitslime:
 

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I agree...something as simple as learning about how hip hop production developed from chaining James Brown break loops really makes me appreciate the artform that is sampling in rap.

Funny you mention this, cause I was reading this book called "Beattips Manual" that as an amazing section that goes thru the complete history of beat making in hip hop. Its amazing shyt. Starting with Kool Herc and coming right up to the modern Trap period, he breaks it down into a few periods and shows how each period evolved into the next. Amazing shyt for real.
 
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you shouldve left some examples of other genres/artists to strengthen your argument..

as for the premise of the thread- ive personally always kept a nice balance of music.. too much of anything, is pointless.. what alot of folks lack is diversity.. culture.. traveling.. you can tell by the things they say..
 

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you shouldve left some examples of other genres/artists to strengthen your argument..

as for the premise of the thread- ive personally always kept a nice balance of music.. too much of anything, is pointless.. what alot of folks lack is diversity.. culture.. traveling.. you can tell by the things they say..

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you shouldve left some examples of other genres/artists to strengthen your argument..

as for the premise of the thread- ive personally always kept a nice balance of music.. too much of anything, is pointless.. what alot of folks lack is diversity.. culture.. traveling.. you can tell by the things they say..

Respect. Agree completely with you.

Here are some examples of what I mean. And to be clear about something, unlike what @Yoda read into my initial post, this isn't about being self righteous and saying my generation is better. In fact, its the opposite, because I came of age during the mid 90's to early 2000's where hip-hop was already quite evolved as a culture and a commercial force. So really I'm using myself as an example, when I say I listened to songs from Kurtis Blow, Run-DMC and the like, and initially dismissed it like :what:

But over the past few years, digging into the history of the culture, its put all those things in a different context. Like for example, just the simple fact that when hip hop started there was no MC's, it was just DJ's spinning the drum break section of a record. That should be common knowledge among anyone who claims to be a hip hop head. But then when you understand that the first DJ's who started looping up the drum breaks on records, also started to speak over the records in simple call and response rhymes to crowd, you see why initial raps were somewhat "simple" so to speak. First off, the guys coming up with the rhymes weren't "rappers" because there was no such thing as that. Second, they wanted to get the crowd involved and move a party, so they weren't try to come with complex flows, the crowd had to be able to repeat it. So that's where MCing started out right there. Once I got that context it was impossible for me to judge those MC's by the same standards that we judged rappers today now that the culture is highly evolved.

Once DJ's started linking up with guys who were dedicated MC's, the MC's started introducing more craft into what they did to differentiate they show. But at that time hip-hop wasn't a "recorded" music experience, it was meant to be experienced in a live setting. So again, a lot of stuff from that era is hard to judge from the perspective of the studio hip hop today that is made to be listened to personally. I could go on, but thats just a few examples, and it just goes on from there. :stylin:
 

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y'all are some fukking idiots. anyone that cares about hiphop will get into the older stuff. just let them figure it out. stop acting like you got some gift that someone else is deprived of. everyday is a new day and we all enjoy our today.

the music of yesterday to a new nikka is out of context. it doesn't mean the same thing. you old heads don't owe us shyt and we newbies don't owe you shyt.

give me one reason why us new nikkas should even look back on classics like the message or whodini's debut (e.g.) when you (tend to) shyt on everyone influenced by it?
 

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y'all are some fukking idiots. anyone that cares about hiphop will get into the older stuff. just let them figure it out. stop acting like you got some gift that someone else is deprived of. everyday is a new day and we all enjoy our today.

the music of yesterday to a new nikka is out of context. it doesn't mean the same thing. you old heads don't owe us shyt and we newbies don't owe you shyt.

give me one reason why us new nikkas should even look back on classics like the message or whodini's debut (e.g.) when you (tend to) shyt on everyone influenced by it?

no....you're the idiot. not only are you missing the entire point of the thread, you are annoying. it's weirdos like you that misrepresent the genres and will have us going the way of jazz soon.
 
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Respect. Agree completely with you.

Here are some examples of what I mean. And to be clear about something, unlike what @Yoda read into my initial post, this isn't about being self righteous and saying my generation is better. In fact, its the opposite, because I came of age during the mid 90's to early 2000's where hip-hop was already quite evolved as a culture and a commercial force. So really I'm using myself as an example, when I say I listened to songs from Kurtis Blow, Run-DMC and the like, and initially dismissed it like :what:

But over the past few years, digging into the history of the culture, its put all those things in a different context. Like for example, just the simple fact that when hip hop started there was no MC's, it was just DJ's spinning the drum break section of a record. That should be common knowledge among anyone who claims to be a hip hop head. But then when you understand that the first DJ's who started looping up the drum breaks on records, also started to speak over the records in simple call and response rhymes to crowd, you see why initial raps were somewhat "simple" so to speak. First off, the guys coming up with the rhymes weren't "rappers" because there was no such thing as that. Second, they wanted to get the crowd involved and move a party, so they weren't try to come with complex flows, the crowd had to be able to repeat it. So that's where MCing started out right there. Once I got that context it was impossible for me to judge those MC's by the same standards that we judged rappers today now that the culture is highly evolved.

Once DJ's started linking up with guys who were dedicated MC's, the MC's started introducing more craft into what they did to differentiate they show. But at that time hip-hop wasn't a "recorded" music experience, it was meant to be experienced in a live setting. So again, a lot of stuff from that era is hard to judge from the perspective of the studio hip hop today that is made to be listened to personally. I could go on, but thats just a few examples, and it just goes on from there. :stylin:
actually.. hip-hop started in a few different factions.. folks like The Last Poets were doing things very much similar to what people now call cyphers, rhyming words/slang in the early-70s(there were also some earlier pioneers before them, who kinda fell through the cracks.. one guy was from Ohio/midwest.. forgot his name at the moment.. @TheHonorableSKJ might remember who)..

as far as DJs breaking beats, and speaking over records- that originated in the islands..

alot of folks were making hip-hop esque music well before it developed into a genre(Herbie Hancock was making break beats back in the day).. i think thats the most important factor people tend to gloss over..
 

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no....you're the idiot. not only are you missing the entire point of the thread, you are annoying. it's weirdos like you that misrepresent the genres and will have us going the way of jazz soon.

you don't know what you're talking about. this is an entirely new year.

an entirely new year.
 
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