"TI, Jeezy & Wayne are legends just as much as any MC ever"

[JustCKing]

what i meant was for you to just admit that you werent up on jeezy's buzz like that. or like i said earlier, maybe youre just not in the streets so it doesnt reasonate with you.

dog, darn near every media outlet was referring to tip as "king of the south". he appears on a television show, and theyre gassing him up as the king. come on man. did you not see any of this?

I was up on Jeezy's buzz. I've been living in GA my whole life, how would I not know about Jeezy in '04-'05? That being said, his buzz does not cloud my judgement on where he stood then and where he's at now. At Jeezy's peak, he had the streets on lock with Trap or Die and TM101. That being said, he still wasn't the biggest rapper in the game and was still competing with Ludacris and T.I. as the biggest rapper in just Atlanta. At Jeezy's height, there was the Houston Movement (started with "Still Tippin" and snowballed into Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Chamillionaire, and Bun B having a big '05). Bun and Cham weren't even on the song, but "Still Tippin" put a spotlight on Houston for a hot minute. There was also 50 Cent, The Game, Kanye West, and Lil' Wayne (even though Wayne dropped C2 at the end of that year).

Regarding "king of the south", how is referring to T.I. as such considered "gassing him up"? Every rapper is gassed. It's a moniker that he gave himself. Most rappers have other monikers that the media uses in reference to them. T.I.'s just happens to be "king" or "king of the south". He has an album called King, a song called "King of the South", and another one called "Tha King". It would be different if this was some campaign started by the media to elevate T.I. to superstar status, but this was something T.I. has ran with from the beginning.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I was up on Jeezy's buzz. I've been living in GA my whole life, how would I not know about Jeezy in '04-'05? That being said, his buzz does not cloud my judgement on where he stood then and where he's at now. At Jeezy's peak, he had the streets on lock with Trap or Die and TM101. That being said, he still wasn't the biggest rapper in the game and was still competing with Ludacris and T.I. as the biggest rapper in just Atlanta. At Jeezy's height, there was the Houston Movement (started with "Still Tippin" and snowballed into Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Chamillionaire, and Bun B having a big '05). Bun and Cham weren't even on the song, but "Still Tippin" put a spotlight on Houston for a hot minute. There was also 50 Cent, The Game, Kanye West, and Lil' Wayne (even though Wayne dropped C2 at the end of that year).

Regarding "king of the south", how is referring to T.I. as such considered "gassing him up"? Every rapper is gassed. It's a moniker that he gave himself. Most rappers have other monikers that the media uses in reference to them. T.I.'s just happens to be "king" or "king of the south". He has an album called King, a song called "King of the South", and another one called "Tha King". It would be different if this was some campaign started by the media to elevate T.I. to superstar status, but this was something T.I. has ran with from the beginning.

jeezy wasnt in no competition with no ludacris. atlanta dont even hold ludacris in high-regard.

youre looking at his from too much of a commercial angle. THIS IS HIP-HOP HOMEBOY.

 

[28 Gramz]

HOw can any nikka really front on Jeezy being the biggest rapper in Atlanta in 2005? I'm sure TI sold more to the cac's and casual white bytch crowd but Jeezy's shyt was a movement.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Jeezy?

 

[Tuling]

eh. they're aight
sure legends but wouldn't place them in the same league as i would others

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

HOw can any nikka really front on Jeezy being the biggest rapper in Atlanta in 2005? I'm sure TI sold more to the cac's and casual white bytch crowd but Jeezy's shyt was a movement.

exactly what im saying.

eh. they're aight
sure legends but wouldn't place them in the same league as i would others

exactly what im saying as well.

 

[Soundwave]

I remember a XXL article a few years back that said Tip, Jeezy and Wayne were the Jay, Nas and Big of the south ... I can't remember who wrote it though

 

[THE MACHINE]

HOw can any nikka really front on Jeezy being the biggest rapper in Atlanta in 2005? I'm sure TI sold more to the cac's and casual white bytch crowd but Jeezy's shyt was a movement.

TIs buzz in '05-'06 >>>>>>Jeezy's

And at a rapper being less of a legend because he sells more albums to non-blacks than another rapper.

Urban Legend '04
Debut:7
Certified:Plat

King '06
Debut:1
Certified:plat
500k debut in 2006

TI v tip '07
Debut:1
Certified:1

 

[CrimsonTider]

Jeezy?

Jeezy been that nikka.

Trap or Die and Can't ban the snowman did more in these streets than damn near anything ever.

This nikka influence is everywhere.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

yea all 3 are legends

 

[CrimsonTider]

eh. they're aight
sure legends but wouldn't place them in the same league as i would others

Why not.

 

[JustCKing]

jeezy wasnt in no competition with no ludacris. atlanta dont even hold ludacris in high-regard.

youre looking at his from too much of a commercial angle. THIS IS HIP-HOP HOMEBOY.

Ludacris in '04-'05 was a big deal in HIP HOP. "Number One Spot" and "Get Back" weren't some bubble gum Pop joints. He was engaged in a battle w/ T.I. that summer where both went at each other on the same song (Young Buck's "Stomp"). Now that's Hip Hop. Luda still had credibility during that period.

I'm not the one looking at this from too much of a commercial angle. You are the one who went in detail about sales in regard to Jeezy's sales being more impressive than T.I.'s. This definitely is Hip Hop, and if we look at this strictly from a musical standpoint, then the point still stands that in comparison to Wayne and T.I., it's pre-mature to label Jeezy a legend:

1) T.I. has been in the game 12 years and has managed to survive despite being in his own way (the legal trouble). He's battled Ludacris, oblitered Flip and Shawty Lo. He took "trap music" mainstream. He's respected as an MC amongst his peers. After him and Toomp took their sound to another level with "What You Know", everybody from Kanye to Jay to Nas to The Game had a Toomp track. He's also one of the most versatile rappers.

2) Wayne's been here since the '90's. After all of the changes that have taken place in Hip Hop since, Wayne's still here amongst the biggest names in Hip Hop. He went on a run where he tirelessly put out mixtapes that were ate up by the streets, standout guest appearances, and huge albums.

With Jeezy, we have someone that the only thing people can muster up is the '04-'05 buzz. He's dropped his debut in '05 giving him 8 years in the game. His peak was his debut. The same cannot be said about T.I. and Wayne. Wayne and T.I. have peaked about at aleast a couple of times in their careers (Wayne moreso than T.I.). They've also been in it longer. They are also both more respected as MC's. That's why it's pre-mature to to call him a legend in comparison to Wayne and T.I.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

TIs buzz in '05-'06 >>>>>>Jeezy's

And at a rapper being less of a legend because he sells more albums to non-blacks than another rapper.

Urban Legend '04
Debut:7
Certified:Plat

King '06
Debut:1
Certified:plat
500k debut in 2006

TI v tip '07
Debut:1
Certified:1

this post embodies exactly what this conversation should NOT be about.

Ludacris in '04-'05 was a big deal in HIP HOP. "Number One Spot" and "Get Back" weren't some bubble gum Pop joints. He was engaged in a battle w/ T.I. that summer where both went at each other on the same song (Young Buck's "Stomp"). Now that's Hip Hop. Luda still had credibility during that period.

I'm not the one looking at this from too much of a commercial angle. You are the one who went in detail about sales in regard to Jeezy's sales being more impressive than T.I.'s. This definitely is Hip Hop, and if we look at this strictly from a musical standpoint, then the point still stands that in comparison to Wayne and T.I., it's pre-mature to label Jeezy a legend:

1) T.I. has been in the game 12 years and has managed to survive despite being in his own way (the legal trouble). He's battled Ludacris, oblitered Flip and Shawty Lo. He took "trap music" mainstream. He's respected as an MC amongst his peers. After him and Toomp took their sound to another level with "What You Know", everybody from Kanye to Jay to Nas to The Game had a Toomp track. He's also one of the most versatile rappers.

2) Wayne's been here since the '90's. After all of the changes that have taken place in Hip Hop since, Wayne's still here amongst the biggest names in Hip Hop. He went on a run where he tirelessly put out mixtapes that were ate up by the streets, standout guest appearances, and huge albums.

With Jeezy, we have someone that the only thing people can muster up is the '04-'05 buzz. He's dropped his debut in '05 giving him 8 years in the game. His peak was his debut. The same cannot be said about T.I. and Wayne. Wayne and T.I. have peaked about at aleast a couple of times in their careers (Wayne moreso than T.I.). They've also been in it longer. They are also both more respected as MC's. That's why it's pre-mature to to call him a legend in comparison to Wayne and T.I.

i didnt say that ludacris wasnt credible. hes actually a better actual MC than all 3 of the names in the title, and yes, he embarrassed tip multiple times. i just said tha he was not in competition with jeezy. ludacris was never in the running for being king of anything.

i wasnt pushing a sales argument. i was responding to someone when i mentioned that about jeezy's sales.

obviously, i can see that you dont really get IT. so respectfully, theres really no purpose in us going back-n-forth at this point.

btw, tip's legal troubles enhanced his buzz actually. thats the best form of promotion aside from being dead. it hurt his career in the sense that he lost out on alot of money, but thats neither here-nor-there if we're talking rap chit/