To make elite schools ‘fair,’ city will punish poor Asians
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That's my alma mater....
Any word on how prepared Atlanta Public Schools students are for Georgia Tech?
Actually, the blacks that would get into the schools would be the children of black immigrants. Two years ago the NY TImes did a story on a black girl at Stuyvesant. She was one of 40 blacks in the school. She had immigrated from Jamaica and was in the United States for 5 months when she took and passed the test to get into Stuyvesant High.
Forty percent of the blacks in the Ivy League are the children of immigrants.
ETA: The girl in the Stuyvesant story attends Yale now.
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Dunno. Of course when I started back in the mid 90s (
) I had friends who attended APS and made it out just fine. Some didn't. It's how it is there. Chances are if you are the salutatorian or valedictorian that you more than have the ability to make it there. The OMED office (Office of Minority Education and Develop) also offers tutoring and shyt free of charge to specifically help minority students on campus.
Just funny how it's all good when blacks were being pushed out by the anti affirmative action bunch, but now that little johnny and amy are being pushed out.... :kermitnunya:
Anyway, it is cultural. These asian immigrants and shyt push their kids hard educationally. Same with african immigrants. Not shocked one bit. education is a priority in their culture overall.
Native African Americans in this country can do the same if we push our kids, but education isn't the priority in far too many of our households. Many SAY it is, but their actions say otherwise.
My problem is that you have to be well rounded and those who were raised have their heads in the books all the damn time were not socially developed.
Anyway, it is cultural. These asian immigrants and shyt push their kids hard educationally. Same with african immigrants. Not shocked one bit. education is a priority in their culture overall.
Native African Americans in this country can do the same if we push our kids, but education isn't the priority in far too many of our households. Many SAY it is, but their actions say otherwise.
My problem is that you have to be well rounded and those who were raised have their heads in the books all the damn time were not socially developed.
New York City has three tutoring programs for low-income students. The Stuyvesant High School Black Alumni Diversity Initiative provides scholarships for tutoring. The first year they started they opened the program to blacks and Latinos without screening grades and test scores. Apparently that didn't work and now they only deal with students with high grades and test scores and 10 or less absences in the current school year. Eighth graders also need to be enrolled in Algebra I. Even though the students are poor, this group wants a $100 deposit which will be refunded if the student doesn't have any unexcused absences.
http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255845
The NYC Department of Education has a Dream Institute to tutor kids who get free lunch. It is 22 months long. http://schools.nyc.gov/Offices/SHSI/default.htm
The Science Schools Initiative is the third program. In 2012 they had 64 kids stick with their program.
28 of the 64 got into a specialized high school. 15 were black or Hispanic, 10 Asian, and 3 white. http://www.wnyc.org/story/302122-promising-results-for-specialized-high-school-tutoring-group/
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This is messed up, this is not a good way to increase diversity. I highly doubt it will be mostly Black and Latino kids from the South Bronx, East New York, and East Harlem that will benefit from a more lax admission standard. It does not seem right to me that Black and Latino kids from Riverdale or Sugar Hill will have an added advantage over Asian kids from the L.E.S.
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These types of quotas are counter productive for our country and the black community in general.
When you lower standards it detracts from the underlying problems that prohibit/limit some students from getting into certain schools. When you see there's a disproportionate amount of group A getting in over group B there's something wrong...that something isn't (always) that Group A is getting preferential treatment, sometimes Group B is getting shyt on. If you falsely inflate the success of Group B without addressing the actual issues affecting group B then you do a disservice to Group B. For those following along group B is the A.A. Community.
Despite Racial Disparity, Alumni Group Backs Test-Only Policy for Elite Schools
By KATE TAYLORAUG. 26, 2014
A group of alumni of eight prestigious public high schools in New York City issued a statement on Tuesday in support of keeping a test as the sole criterion for entry, inserting themselves in a long-running debate over the admissions process and its impact on the schools’ racial makeup.
Some legislators and civil rights groups have blamed the test-only policy for the fact that very few black and Hispanic students are admitted to the eight so-called specialized high schools, in comparison with their numbers in the city’s school system over all. Mayor Bill de Blasio said during the mayoral campaign that the schools should use a broader set of measures for admission, but his power to make that change is limited.
State law mandates that the test, known as the Specialized High School Admissions Test, be the only standard for admission to the three biggest schools — Stuyvesant High School, the Bronx High School of Science and Brooklyn Tech — and an attempt to change that law fizzled earlier this year.
In its statement, the coalition, made up of the alumni associations of those three schools and representatives of the five smaller ones, said the city should create enrichment programs to help prepare middle school students for the test and revamp a program, called the Discovery Program, that allows the schools to admit disadvantaged students who fail to meet the cutoff score on the test.
Larry Cary, a labor lawyer who graduated from Brooklyn Tech in 1970, said that changing the admissions criteria risked diluting the schools’ rigorous academic atmosphere.
“If there’s any large number, or even a small number, quite honestly, of kids who can’t do the work, who are admitted because they changed the admissions system, the educators will have no choice but to educate the kids who are in front of them, and that’s going to have a negative effect, unfortunately, on the curriculum and quality of education,” said Mr. Cary, the president of the Brooklyn Tech Alumni Foundation.
Soohyung Kim, an investment manager and a member of the Stuyvesant class of 1993, said he was concerned that moving away from the test-only process would leave some students struggling and others not stimulated.
“The school is not for everyone,” said Mr. Kim, the president of the Stuyvesant High School Alumni Association. “I don’t think it’s a great experience for kids that can’t keep up with it.”
The city has, in recent years, tried to give low-income middle school students a boost by offering test-preparation courses. Despite these efforts, the percentage of black and Latino students admitted to Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech has declined since the mid-1990s. This year 5 percent of the students admitted to the eight schools were black, and 7 percent were Latino, even though blacks and Latinos constitute 70 percent of public school students.
Two years ago, a group of educational and civil rights organizations filed a complaint with the federal Education Department seeking to have the test-only admissions policy found in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The complaint is still being investigated. On Tuesday, Rachel Kleinman, an assistant counsel at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., one of the groups that filed the complaint, said that she had heard from alumni of all eight schools who wanted to see the policy changed.
She said that her organization supported expanding the Discovery Program and adding test-preparation programs, but that those moves alone would not solve the racial disparities. “We don’t think that there’s going to be the kind of transformative change that these schools really need to show any modicum of diversity until the test-only admissions policy is addressed,” she said.
Despite having said during the campaign that he supported moving to a broader set of admissions criteria for the specialized high schools, Mr. de Blasio has not made any effort to make that change, even in the five smaller specialized schools where he has the power to do so. (The five are Brooklyn Latin School; High School for Mathematics, Science and Engineering at City College; Queens High School for the Sciences at York College; Staten Island Technical High School; and High School of American Studies at Lehman College.)
A spokeswoman for the city’s Education Department, Devora Kaye, said: “We must do more to reflect the diversity of our city in our top-tier schools — and we are committed to doing just that while ensuring high academic standards. In the coming months we will continue looking at ways to address the gap that has left so many of our black and Latino students out of specialized high schools.”
The Discovery Program was created by the same 1971 law that enshrined the test as the sole criterion for admission to the three schools. (The law was passed to appease mostly white parents who were concerned about proposals, similar to those being raised now, to broaden the criteria for admission.)
Through the Discovery Program, Stuyvesant, traditionally the school with the highest admission cutoff score, could admit a limited number of disadvantaged students who scored high enough for Bronx Science, traditionally with the second-highest cutoff score; Bronx Science, in turn, could take students who qualified for Brooklyn Tech.
But, over a decade ago, when the city created the five new specialized schools, it changed the rules of the Discovery Program so that schools could only use it to take in students who scored too low for any of the eight, said Stanley Teitel, the former principal of Stuyvesant.
He felt that Discovery students were now too far behind the other students, so he stopped participating. Of the three big schools, only Brooklyn Tech participates in the Discovery Program.
By KATE TAYLORAUG. 26, 2014
A group of alumni of eight prestigious public high schools in New York City issued a statement on Tuesday in support of keeping a test as the sole criterion for entry, inserting themselves in a long-running debate over the admissions process and its impact on the schools’ racial makeup.
Some legislators and civil rights groups have blamed the test-only policy for the fact that very few black and Hispanic students are admitted to the eight so-called specialized high schools, in comparison with their numbers in the city’s school system over all. Mayor Bill de Blasio said during the mayoral campaign that the schools should use a broader set of measures for admission, but his power to make that change is limited.
State law mandates that the test, known as the Specialized High School Admissions Test, be the only standard for admission to the three biggest schools — Stuyvesant High School, the Bronx High School of Science and Brooklyn Tech — and an attempt to change that law fizzled earlier this year.
In its statement, the coalition, made up of the alumni associations of those three schools and representatives of the five smaller ones, said the city should create enrichment programs to help prepare middle school students for the test and revamp a program, called the Discovery Program, that allows the schools to admit disadvantaged students who fail to meet the cutoff score on the test.
Larry Cary, a labor lawyer who graduated from Brooklyn Tech in 1970, said that changing the admissions criteria risked diluting the schools’ rigorous academic atmosphere.
“If there’s any large number, or even a small number, quite honestly, of kids who can’t do the work, who are admitted because they changed the admissions system, the educators will have no choice but to educate the kids who are in front of them, and that’s going to have a negative effect, unfortunately, on the curriculum and quality of education,” said Mr. Cary, the president of the Brooklyn Tech Alumni Foundation.
Soohyung Kim, an investment manager and a member of the Stuyvesant class of 1993, said he was concerned that moving away from the test-only process would leave some students struggling and others not stimulated.
“The school is not for everyone,” said Mr. Kim, the president of the Stuyvesant High School Alumni Association. “I don’t think it’s a great experience for kids that can’t keep up with it.”
The city has, in recent years, tried to give low-income middle school students a boost by offering test-preparation courses. Despite these efforts, the percentage of black and Latino students admitted to Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech has declined since the mid-1990s. This year 5 percent of the students admitted to the eight schools were black, and 7 percent were Latino, even though blacks and Latinos constitute 70 percent of public school students.
Two years ago, a group of educational and civil rights organizations filed a complaint with the federal Education Department seeking to have the test-only admissions policy found in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The complaint is still being investigated. On Tuesday, Rachel Kleinman, an assistant counsel at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., one of the groups that filed the complaint, said that she had heard from alumni of all eight schools who wanted to see the policy changed.
She said that her organization supported expanding the Discovery Program and adding test-preparation programs, but that those moves alone would not solve the racial disparities. “We don’t think that there’s going to be the kind of transformative change that these schools really need to show any modicum of diversity until the test-only admissions policy is addressed,” she said.
Despite having said during the campaign that he supported moving to a broader set of admissions criteria for the specialized high schools, Mr. de Blasio has not made any effort to make that change, even in the five smaller specialized schools where he has the power to do so. (The five are Brooklyn Latin School; High School for Mathematics, Science and Engineering at City College; Queens High School for the Sciences at York College; Staten Island Technical High School; and High School of American Studies at Lehman College.)
A spokeswoman for the city’s Education Department, Devora Kaye, said: “We must do more to reflect the diversity of our city in our top-tier schools — and we are committed to doing just that while ensuring high academic standards. In the coming months we will continue looking at ways to address the gap that has left so many of our black and Latino students out of specialized high schools.”
The Discovery Program was created by the same 1971 law that enshrined the test as the sole criterion for admission to the three schools. (The law was passed to appease mostly white parents who were concerned about proposals, similar to those being raised now, to broaden the criteria for admission.)
Through the Discovery Program, Stuyvesant, traditionally the school with the highest admission cutoff score, could admit a limited number of disadvantaged students who scored high enough for Bronx Science, traditionally with the second-highest cutoff score; Bronx Science, in turn, could take students who qualified for Brooklyn Tech.
But, over a decade ago, when the city created the five new specialized schools, it changed the rules of the Discovery Program so that schools could only use it to take in students who scored too low for any of the eight, said Stanley Teitel, the former principal of Stuyvesant.
He felt that Discovery students were now too far behind the other students, so he stopped participating. Of the three big schools, only Brooklyn Tech participates in the Discovery Program.