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Mr. Leonidas said:
...soooo I'm assuming you have Wilder rated above Joshua? If that's so, please explain it to me because just based off resumes and accomplishments Joshua is rated higher than Wilder.
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Of course..lol. Wilder always comes in smaller than heavyweights and wins in fantastic fashion except for one guy.
 
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R=G said:
Of course..lol. Wilder always comes in smaller than heavyweights and wins in fantastic fashion except for one guy.
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Which worthy heavyweights has he fought tho besides the man who knocked him out? Ortiz? Stiverne? His own trainer Scott????:unimpressed:
 
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R=G said:
5 years..you tell me..for a guy with no skills, a these guys getting WBC title shots didn't whoop his ass.
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That's because the guys he was fighting weren't the best competition. Look at it this way- Joshua's opponents in that same 5 year time span we markedly better. Search your feelings and you'll know this to be true bro.
 
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Mr. Leonidas said:
...so tell us who is and why :sas1:
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Based on this new AJ (since Ruiz 2) not looking good at all. I can say Wilder comfortably beats him. If he was scared of Usyk and Ruiz, the Wilder right hand might make him shyt hisself.

And we got to take in account that Wilder is a one punch fighter..yea this division just sucks at the moment:francis:
 
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Deangelo B. said:
Based on this new AJ (since Ruiz 2) not looking good at all. I can say Wilder comfortably beats him. If he was scared of Usyk and Ruiz, the Wilder right hand might make him shyt hisself.

And we got to take in account that Wilder is a one punch fighter..yea this division just sucks at the moment:francis:
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I quite literally cant say that. Prior to the Fury 2 embarrassment, Wilder was already severely limited skill/talent wise. More limited than his resume is of quality opposition. Since the shameful loss and his bizarro excuses/conspiracies, I'm even more convinced he has nothing left. Nothing I saw last Sat night when Joshua lost to Usyk makes me believe Wilder can do the same to him. Joshua still has a better resume, better skills/craft, bigger frame and more stable mindset. Cuz like you said all he has is a right hand and we all saw that that cant save him, only his trainer, a ref and a white towel can.



And I dont feel the division is THAT bad. Fury, Usyk, Joshua and Wilder can make for a nice round robin of entertaining fights. Plus with fighters like Joe Joyce, Dillian Whyte, Jared Anderson, Efe Ajagba waiting on the sidelines, we may be in for even more entertainment in the coming years.
 
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Better mindset :patrice:So you haven’t noticed AJ being paralyzed with fear the last few fights..Throwing combos and punches like he unsure if he is doing it right or it’s his first time doing it. Breh literally fights super scared now. I been noticed it since he got knocked.

Now what you saying is true. AJ had the better skill set by far but his implementation these days leave slot to be desired. The old AJ was the favorite to beat Wilder in my eyes. But this new guy afraid to impose his will, will never beat a guy like wilder. Wilder will eventually land one or 2. Do AJ had the tools to beat Wilder of course. But I’m talking about a dude now who was paralyzed with fear of Usyk:francis:. And let’s not act like AJ is a super skillful boxer. He is/was a mechanical bruiser with killer power. Outboxing nikkas ain’t his thing and never was. Yea he can in spurts but that’s not him. He still stiff as all get out. Him slimming down and trying to outbox people is the dumbest shyt he done did. He let Pulev off the hook atleast 3 times. It seems he lost his killer instinct and he ran (or held) from Ruiz in second fight.

Speaking of Joyce he might be top 5 honestly but his career is going at about the same as his hand speed. With his work rate and chin he would be a hard out for any heavy.

Anderson is dope but we really don’t know if got the goods yet. He got to go against the resident HW gatekeepers first before I can gauge him. And that may be years down the line.

While Efe is good with power and would be an exciting matchup for any HW due to his power. He had a hiccup a fight or 2 back when he was looking reggie.

The main thing is these new guys ain’t fighting nobody for the most part so we don’t know what they made of just yet.

Whyte got a better resume than Wilder tho if we being real. He is a throwback fighter and my favorite HW at the moment. Wilder/Fury/AJ are divas. Whyte just want to fight win lose or draw. Usyk also but he come from a division where the best fight the best so his mentality different.
 
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Deangelo B. said:
Better mindset :patrice:So you haven’t noticed AJ being paralyzed with fear the last few fights..Throwing combos and punches like he unsure if he is doing it right or it’s his first time doing it. Breh literally fights super scared now. I been noticed it since he got knocked.

Now what you saying is true. AJ had the better skill set by far but his implementation these days leave slot to be desired. The old AJ was the favorite to beat Wilder in my eyes. But this new guy afraid to impose his will, will never beat a guy like wilder. Wilder will eventually land one or 2. Do AJ had the tools to beat Wilder of course. But I’m talking about a dude now who was paralyzed with fear of Usyk:francis:. And let’s not act like AJ is a super skillful boxer. He is/was a mechanical bruiser with killer power. Outboxing nikkas ain’t his thing and never was. Yea he can in spurts but that’s not him. He still stiff as all get out. Him slimming down and trying to outbox people is the dumbest shyt he done did. He let Pulev off the hook atleast 3 times. It seems he lost his killer instinct and he ran (or held) from Ruiz in second fight.

Speaking of Joyce he might be top 5 honestly but his career is going at about the same as his hand speed. With his work rate and chin he would be a hard out for any heavy.

Anderson is dope but we really don’t know if got the goods yet. He got to go against the resident HW gatekeepers first before I can gauge him. And that may be years down the line.

While Efe is good with power and would be an exciting matchup for any HW due to his power. He had a hiccup a fight or 2 back when he was looking reggie.

The main thing is these new guys ain’t fighting nobody for the most part so we don’t know what they made of just yet.

Whyte got a better resume than Wilder tho if we being real. He is a throwback fighter and my favorite HW at the moment. Wilder/Fury/AJ are divas. Whyte just want to fight win lose or draw. Usyk also but he come from a division where the best fight the best so his mentality different.
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I def noticed the change in Joshua since Ruiz 1. Wasn't impressed at all with his performance in Ruiz 2 as I believe he fought scared. However we all saw Joshua get closer to his pre loss days in the Pulev fight. Against Usyk he just seemed like he was fighting his natural impulses to stick to the gameplan his team drew up. However when I said mindset, I didn't just mean in the ring. The host of bizarre and sad excuses Wilder had after he lost showed us all his mindset. Same thing happened when Kovalev lost- taking no responsibility for what went wrong which means nothing will truly be changed. However Joshua has taken his losses on the chin and just vowed to be better. That's the difference in mindset.

I never said AJ was an virtuoso pugilist. But even Ray Charles can see he got way more technique and craft than Wilder does. Styles make fights and Joshua's losses didn't remove his skill set, so that will still be there if he were to face Wilder.

And tbh Usyk beats Joshua and Wilder, so I won't use Joshua losing to Usyk as proof that he'd lose to Wilder.

I do agree with you about the prospects tho. They gotta show us something. Whyte has a much better resume than Wilder and I'd favor him to beat Wilder also.
 
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