Toyota Is Losing the Electric Car Race, So It Pretends Hybrids Are Better

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Toyota Is Losing the Electric Car Race, So It Pretends Hybrids Are Better



There are at least 12 car companies currently selling an all-electric vehicle in the United States, and Toyota isn't one of them. Despite admitting recently that the Tesla Model 3 alone is responsible for half of Toyota's customer defections in North America -- as Prius drivers transition to all-electric -- the company has been an outspoken laggard in the race to electrification. Now, the company is using questionable logic to attempt to justify its inaction on electrification, claiming that its limited battery capacity better serves the planet by producing gasoline-electric hybrids. For years, Toyota leadership has shunned investment in all-electric cars, laying out a more conservative strategy to "electrify" its fleet -- essentially doubling down on hybrids and plug-in hybrids -- as a bridge to a future generation of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. As Tesla, Nissan, and GM have led the technological shift to fully battery electric vehicles, Toyota has publicly bashed the prospects of all-electric fleets. (See, for instance, the swipe the company took at plug-in vehicles in this recent Toyota Corolla Hybrid commercial.)

Last week, at the Geneva Auto Show, a Toyota executive provided a curious explanation for the company's refusal to launch a single battery electric vehicle.
As Car and Driver reported, Toyota claims that it is limited by battery production capacity and that "Toyota is able to produce enough batteries for 28,000 electric vehicles each year -- or for 1.5 million hybrid cars." In other words, because Toyota has neglected to invest in battery production, it can only produce enough batteries for a trivial number of all-electric vehicles. Due to this self-inflicted capacity shortage, the company is forced to choose between manufacturing 1.5 million hybrids or 28,000 electric cars. Using what Car and Driver called "fuzzy math," the company tried to justify the strategy to forgo electric vehicles (EVs) on environmental grounds. As Toyota explained it, "selling 1.5 million hybrid cars reduces carbon emissions by a third more than selling 28,000 EVs."
 

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High-end hybrids have always been a bit of a scam environmentally - when you factor in manufacturing costs and lifespan, they have a worse environmental footprint than cheap high-mileage gas cars.

I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to be more environmentally conscious, and they're probably a decent gateway to going full-electric, but driving a Prius itself doesn't actually make the world a better place.
 

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High-end hybrids have always been a bit of a scam environmentally - when you factor in manufacturing costs and lifespan, they have a worse environmental footprint than cheap high-mileage gas cars.

I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to be more environmentally conscious, and they're probably a decent gateway to going full-electric, but driving a Prius itself doesn't actually make the world a better place.

Come to think of it.....it seems like all the Priuses died at the same time :russ: . Everyone that owned one that I know ditched that model and drive a Camry or a Honda Accord instead.
 

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Come to think of it.....it seems like all the Priuses died at the same time :russ: . Everyone that owned one that I know ditched that model and drive a Camry or a Honda Accord instead.

My in-laws actually still have their Prius and it's running fine, but then they replaced their other car with a Volt and I think that's the one they primarily drive.
 

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Charging stations are still infrequent enough, and not as quick as dropping gas in the car.

I see hybrids becoming the norm until those issues are ironed out. Hydrogen isn't advancing fast enough in terms of storage.

Electric cars already surpassed hybrids in California two years ago. I was surprised last year at how often I was seeing charging stations in LA (apparently they're up over 1800 charging stations now). There's 500,000 plug-in cars on the road in California and 10% of all new car sales are plug-in.

Of course, California mayors are generally more favorable towards spending money on such things than the rest of the country is. But if California is driving the market, then it will make it easier and easier for others to follow.

I mean, look at these Tesla sales charts. The Model 3 was damn near the highest-selling car of ANY type in December 2018, ahead of the Corolla and right behind the Civic, Accord, and Camry. It's 2018 sales were almost 150,000 (compared to 300,000 for the Honda Accord), and that's with nearly all those sales coming in the 2nd half of the year.
 

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Mayne if they make a Toyota Sequoia hybrid, it would make a difference.

Electric stations are coming to more places.

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Come to think of it.....it seems like all the Priuses died at the same time :russ: . Everyone that owned one that I know ditched that model and drive a Camry or a Honda Accord instead.


Bruh anyone talking shyt about prius is a hater. Them shyts built like a tank, 50mpg, and huge room inside.

Camry got a hybrid that gets 50mpg and feels more powerful than the prius.
 
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