Traps Used In Vietnam

African Peasant

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Let’s be fair here, they weren’t allowed to strike North Vietnam. It wasn’t all out war or they’d have bombed the shyt out of their cities and HQs and never bothered on the ground
Allowed by who? They did strike North Vietnam. Do you know the US dropped more bombs in that small region than in Europe during WW2?:dahell: Till these days kids are born with deformations in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. The US did flex its muscles and fought a dirty war; the vietnamese just did not give up :yeshrug:

However, the US were SCARED to put boots on grounds and invade north Vietnam. For that reason, victory was impossible.


If you actually do research on NVA correspondence released after the war...

they were on the verge of being defeated..

the tet offensive was a desperate last grasp at trying to turn the tide
They were on the verge of losing... yet they won. That's war.
 

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that's my whole point...

it wasnt a tactical victory won on the battlefield...

it was won through american internal politics
The Vietnam never had the mean to inflict a tactical defeat to the US. The objective was to hold on as long as possible and make the war unwinable for the US. That's what they did.
The US on the other hand proved itself unable to knock the North Vietnamese out of the war. And that's a military exploit.

The US did not just left because they got bored. They left because the north vietnamese made the pursuit of the war politically impossible. They did it on the battlefield.

The US had a political objective when they entered that war, they were unable to reach it and retreat after years of battle. Classic military defeat.
 

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The Vietnam never had the mean to inflict a tactical defeat to the US. The objective was to hold on as long as possible and make the war unwinable for the US. That's what they did.
The US on the other hand proved itself unable to knock the North Vietnamese out of the war. And that's a military exploit.

The US did not just left because they got bored. They left because the north vietnamese made the pursuit of the war politically impossible. They did it on the battlefield.

The US had a political objective when they entered that war, they were unable to reach it and retreat after years of battle. Classic military defeat.
the US was absolutely able to knock the NVA out of the war....

The NVA couldnt continue with the conflict personnel and equipment-wise....

the US "could"....

internal politics was the issue not the "ability" to continue to conduct war....

the military had a strategic objective.

The US government had a political one...

the military's objective was obtainable and they were close to it...

the government had ulterior motives influenced by factors completely outside of the war itself
 

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the US was absolutely able to knock the NVA out of the war....

The NVA couldnt continue with the conflict personnel and equipment-wise....

the US "could"....

internal politics was the issue not the "ability" to continue to conduct war....

the military had a strategic objective.

The US government had a political one...

the military's objective was obtainable and they were close to it...

the government had ulterior motives influenced by factors completely outside of the war itself

Clausewitz: 'war is the continuation of politics by other means'.War is politics!

The military do not wage war to please itself; it wages war to reach a political objective defined by the government! The US military was in Vietnam to realize a political objective, it was unable to deliver.

War is a political operation. So, the only valuable metric to identify a winner and a loser in war is to ask who reached his objective. The US had an objective, the NV had an objective. They both use military means to reach that objective. Only Vietnam reached his. It won.

They were close since they beginning... They had more than 5 years. They could... Well, in REALITY, they did not. That's the only thing that matters because it's certain. The US was unable after more than 5 years to destroy the NV fighting will and capability.

No, the main reason for the american retreat had to do to with war: it became too unpopular due to the bodybags and the length. And those two factors were caused by the NV on the battlefield. The war became politically too heavy. The idea that the US left for reasons unrelated to how the war was going is a lie.

In fact, as long as the US did not invade north vietnam, it was an unwinnable war. And the US was shook to invade north vietnam.
 
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