Traps Used In Vietnam

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70k US dead

1 Million+ NVA dead

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the war was lost to politics not on the battlefield....
It was lost on the battlefield.

A war is not about who kills the most. It's not MMA.

The US, despite total technological superiority and tons of bombs dropped on Vietnam, Cambodge and Laos, was unable to knock the North Vietnamese out of the war.

The US left without being able to realize its war objective. It lost.
 

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It was lost on the battlefield.

A war is not about who kills the most. It's not MMA.

The US, despite total technological superiority and tons of bombs dropped on Vietnam, Cambodge and Laos, was unable to knock the North Vietnamese out of the war.

The US left without being able to realize its war objective. It lost.
Their issue strategically is that they went in with a body count strategy. The issue with that is the North Vietnamese looked exactly like their southern neighbors, and it turns out that bombing villages inspires non-NVA / Vietcong civilians to seek vengeance.
 

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I feel like I can romanticize any war and imagine myself in that situation, except for Vietnam :heh: hands down most terrifying American war.
 

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behold man...brutally fascinating ingenuity :wow:

now we got trehs flying drones into battle zones in the army and they call em soldiers all the same. :mjlol:
 

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I asked ChatGPT what were the benefits for the Vietnam War for America after all these years:
The Vietnam War, which lasted from 1955 to 1975, was a complex and divisive conflict that had a significant impact on the United States, both domestically and internationally. While the war is often remembered for its significant costs, both in human lives and resources, it also had some indirect benefits or lessons learned for the United States. These include:
  1. Military and Strategic Lessons: The Vietnam War led to significant changes in U.S. military doctrine and strategy. The experience underscored the importance of understanding local conditions and culture in counterinsurgency operations and highlighted the limitations of conventional military power in guerrilla warfare. These lessons have influenced U.S. military strategies in subsequent conflicts.
  2. Technological Advancements: The war spurred advances in military technology and medicine. For example, the development of medical evacuation procedures and helicopters saved many lives and has since been incorporated into civilian emergency medical services.
  3. Political and Social Changes: The war had a profound impact on American society and politics. It led to greater skepticism of government, particularly in terms of foreign policy and military intervention. The antiwar movement also fostered a broader culture of questioning authority and advocating for social change.
  4. Veterans' Affairs: The experiences of Vietnam War veterans led to changes in how the U.S. government and society view and treat veterans. There was an increased focus on the mental and physical health issues faced by veterans, including PTSD and the effects of Agent Orange.
  5. All-Volunteer Military: In response to the unpopularity of the draft used during the Vietnam War, the U.S. transitioned to an all-volunteer military force in 1973. This has had lasting effects on the nature of the military and its relationship with American society.
  6. Foreign Policy Caution: The war led to a more cautious approach in U.S. foreign policy, at least for a time. Known as the "Vietnam Syndrome," there was a reluctance to engage in extended military conflicts without clear objectives and public support.
  7. Media's Role in Warfare: The Vietnam War was the first war to be extensively televised, which had a significant impact on public opinion and the conduct of the war. This has influenced how the media covers conflicts and how the military manages information.
  8. International Relations: While the war had many negative impacts on U.S. international relations, it also led to a reevaluation of alliances and strategies. This helped to shape future U.S. foreign policy, including détente with the Soviet Union and the opening of relations with China.
It's important to note that these are not "benefits" in the traditional sense but rather lessons learned and developments that arose from the challenges and mistakes of the Vietnam War. The war itself was a tragic and costly conflict with profound negative consequences for both the United States and Vietnam.
That was not worth it for the citizens of this country, sorry.

BONUS: then I asked it if it lead to an influx of Vietnamese immigrants into this country.

Yes, the Vietnam War led to a significant increase in Vietnamese immigration to the United States. This influx occurred in several waves, primarily due to the war and its aftermath. The major waves of Vietnamese immigration to the U.S. were as follows:
  1. End of the Vietnam War (1975): The first major wave of Vietnamese immigrants arrived in the U.S. following the fall of Saigon in April 1975. This group primarily consisted of South Vietnamese government officials, military personnel, and their families, as well as others who had worked with or were associated with the U.S. during the war. They were evacuated by the U.S. military or left Vietnam by other means in fear of reprisals from the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong.
  2. "Boat People" (Late 1970s - Early 1980s): After the reunification of Vietnam under communist rule, a second wave of Vietnamese refugees, commonly known as "boat people," fled Vietnam. Many left due to political persecution, economic hardship, and the policies of the new government. They often took perilous journeys by sea to refugee camps in neighboring countries and were eventually resettled in the U.S. and other nations.
  3. Orderly Departure Program (1980s): This program, established by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and the Vietnamese government, allowed Vietnamese citizens, including former reeducation camp detainees and Amerasians (children of Vietnamese mothers and U.S. military fathers), to leave Vietnam legally for the U.S. and other countries.
  4. Humanitarian Operation (HO) (1989): This operation specifically allowed former South Vietnamese military officers and employees who had been detained in reeducation camps to immigrate to the U.S. along with their families.
  5. Family Reunification: Over the years, family reunification policies have allowed more Vietnamese people to join their relatives in the United States.
The influx of Vietnamese immigrants had a significant impact on the U.S., leading to the growth of vibrant Vietnamese-American communities, especially in states like California and Texas. These communities have greatly contributed to the cultural, economic, and social fabric of the United States. The experience of Vietnamese immigrants and refugees has also shaped U.S. immigration and refugee policies in subsequent years.

That's what people died and got changed mentally for? That's what families got torn apart for?

I'm sure a lot of people would rather have their family members back and "back".

Not to mention about 45% of these Vietnamese immigrants' kids have college degrees now too, most likely in STEM and only 3% of their kids not employed. They make higher than the average American in terms of income.

Again, I asked ChatGPT and it verified:

According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau and other research studies on Asian American communities:
  1. Educational Attainment: Vietnamese Americans, like other Asian American subgroups, tend to have high levels of educational attainment compared to some other ethnic groups in the U.S. This includes higher rates of college and advanced degree completion.
  2. STEM Orientation: Asian Americans are generally well-represented in STEM fields in the United States. This is reflected in both college degree choices and professional fields. Vietnamese Americans, as part of this group, are likely to have a significant number of individuals with STEM degrees.

What a piece of shyt to send people out there to fight for this. American citizens took the biggest L out of all groups involved.

A lot of those points from the first section were solutions to problems that didn't exist in the first place that only really benefit the wealthy in power.

Until people admit their fukk ups and stop voting trash in and that includes trash that just wants to keep the status quo and never change anything, expect more of this.
 
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Government must've been telling some all-time lies about what was going on in them jungles for folks to just go along cause you got picked in lottery.

Prison was definitely the better alternative.
 
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