Trump Regime authorizes sanctions on the ICC

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Trump authorizes sanctions over ICC Afghanistan war crimes case

At some point, other countries gon tune out these international institutions give the gross double standards and overall ineffectiveness at solving the more serious issues out there.
How are sanctions on the ICC proof of a double standard? If anything, it shows they're bearing a cost for standing up to US bullying. This should make people be *more* supportive of the ICC, if they are interested in promoting some form of global justice.

Ive always said the campaign against ICC leads by the likes of Burundi and Gambia under Jammeh was deeply dishonest and took advantage of broad ignorance of how it operates.
 

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How are sanctions on the ICC proof of a double standard? If anything, it shows they're bearing a cost for standing up to US bullying. This should make people be *more* supportive of the ICC, if they are interested in promoting some form of global justice.

Ive always said the campaign against ICC leads by the likes of Burundi and Gambia under Jammeh was deeply dishonest and took advantage of broad ignorance of how it operates.

I guess because I have a feeling that inevitably the U.S. pressure will overcome what the ICC is trying to do. Haven’t they been trying to bring charges for War Crimes in Iraq for years now? Israel is also on the verge of criminality with its annexation plans.

Surely if the ICC is incapable of stopping or charging them then why would other countries feel confident in them? Then again, you may be right and I may need a greater understanding of the court’s functions and abilities. Just seems crazy to me that Pompeo can call it a kangaroo court but would rush to them in the name of taking out a geopolitical enemy.
 

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I guess because I have a feeling that inevitably the U.S. pressure will overcome what the ICC is trying to do. Haven’t they been trying to bring charges for War Crimes in Iraq for years now? Israel is also on the verge of criminality with its annexation plans.

Surely if the ICC is incapable of stopping or charging them then why would other countries feel confident in them? Then again, you may be right and I may need a greater understanding of the court’s functions and abilities. Just seems crazy to me that Pompeo can call it a kangaroo court but would rush to them in the name of taking out a geopolitical enemy.

My defence of the ICC isnt about defending US double standards, there's a risk of conflating the two. The ICC wasnt created by the US, in fact they were always opposed to its creation. The Obama Admin probably had the lightest stance towards the court, but even then they didnt sign the statue.

The weaknesses of the ICC are by design, and by function of the most powerful states self-interest to weaken it ( hence why the US, Russia, China never signed the Rome Statue) Its the same reason why other international institutions are dysfunctional, especially when the biggest powers are at odds. Crimes can be investigated by the ICC only by referral of state parties (hence how the Israel investigation started) or by referral from the Security Council.

Many proponents of the court would prefer far more expansive powers, but its impossible to get a consensus among states to vest it with these powers. It can only work through global cooperation and a commitment from states to recognize its authority. The Africans who were investigated by the court were almost all referred to the court by their own Governments. Despite its clear structrual weaknesses, I think there is value for the court, and that its general concept remains necessary.
 

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My defence of the ICC isnt about defending US double standards, there's a risk of conflating the two. The ICC wasnt created by the US, in fact they were always opposed to its creation. The Obama Admin probably had the lightest stance towards the court, but even then they didnt sign the statue.

The weaknesses of the ICC are by design, and by function of the most powerful states self-interest to weaken it ( hence why the US, Russia, China never signed the Rome Statue) Its the same reason why other international institutions are dysfunctional, especially when the biggest powers are at odds. Crimes can be investigated by the ICC only by referral of state parties (hence how the Israel investigation started) or by referral from the Security Council.

Many proponents of the court would prefer far more expansive powers, but its impossible to get a consensus among states to vest it with these powers. It can only work through global cooperation and a commitment from states to recognize its authority. The Africans who were investigated by the court were almost all referred to the court by their own Governments. Despite its clear structrual weaknesses, I think there is value for the court, and that its general concept remains necessary.

This is why I fukks with HL. Thanks for the lesson breh. :tu:
 
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