U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

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The major reason why more and more countries are staying away from buying American weapons: Too many strings attached.

That and the NSA thing caused them to lose out on the Brazilian Airforce procurement deal.

With Pakistan possibly getting in trouble with Washington for using their own american-made F-16's they purchased to shoot down an Indian Mig-21 I'm sure India is looking at the Lokheed Martin F-21 deal for their own procurement the same way. This may get India to buy back into the Russian SU-57 program after all

If you paid for the shyt you should be able to use it as you please :manny:

They might fukk around and see Turkey buy into the SU-57 program too.

For those who don't know the S-400 is aRussian made air defense system that rivals the U.S.'s patriot missile system but cost a fraction of the Patriots cots
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U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia
Vice President Mike Pence recently warned that the U.S. "will not stand idly by while NATO allies purchase weapons from our adversaries."
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A U.S. F-35A fighter jet lands in South Korea last month.Getty Images
April 2, 2019, 8:23 AM ET / Updated April 2, 2019, 12:56 PM ET
By Mosheh Gains, Abigail Williams and Alexander Smith
WASHINGTON — The U.S. has blocked Turkey from receiving equipment relating to the F-35 fighter jet until its NATO ally cancels an order of a Russian missile defense system.

Washington has grown increasingly frustrated about Turkey's order of Russia's S-400 Triumf, which is among the most advanced and feared air-defense systems in the world.



At the same time, Turkey has ordered 30 of the F-35 stealth fighters and plans to buy more than 100 in total, according to manufacturer Lockheed Martin Corp.

Turkey has already "received" its first two jets, although these are currently being kept at Arizona's Luke Air Force Base, where Turkish pilots are training with them.

"The United States has been clear that Turkey's acquisition of the S-400 is unacceptable," acting Pentagon spokesman Charles E. Summers Jr. said in a statement Monday. "Should Turkey procure the S-400, their continued participation in the F-35 program is at risk."

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A S-400 surface-to-air missile system after its deployment at a military base near Gvardeysk, Russia, last month.Vitaly Nevar / Reuters file
During a meeting Tuesday with Mongolian Defense Minister Nyamaagiin Enkhbold, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said that he expects the situation will be resolved.


Turkey agreed to buy the S-400 system from Russia in 2017, a deal reportedly worth $2.5 billion that's set to begin delivery in July.

After months of warnings and ultimatums, the U.S. suspension represents the first major concrete step in trying force Turkey to rethink. This week marks the alliance's 70th anniversary.

  1. Vice President Mike Pence said in February that the U.S. "will not stand idly by while NATO allies purchase weapons from our adversaries.":sadbron:

It is one strand of a increasingly frayed relationship between Washington and its ally that joined NATO in 1952.
 
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lol. If Putin wasn't smart he would've been out the paint. China not smarter they just have a giant leverage which Russia doesn't have.
You're right about the leverage. But Putin seems to enjoy making enemies. Making those enemies will only get them to run into the arms of NATO. Your allies are your greatest asset. See Israel. See United States. See Cuba.
 
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You're right about the leverage. But Putin seems to enjoy making enemies. Making those enemies will only get them to run into the arms of NATO. Your allies are your greatest asset. See Israel. See United States. See Cuba.

Ehh... Russia has been a valuable asset to their allies. See Syria, Venezuela, Iran and China. Heck if it wasn't for Russia, Syria would've BEEN fallen to the USA/West. Nah, Putin has only been at war with the West and its allies. He has not been making more enemies nor has he decreased his enemy list. However, he has been pulling Germany slowly towards Russian ties especially with Trump in office. Nah its TRUMP's America who has been making more and more enemies. Sabotaging structured generational geopolitical alliances.

And for sake of arguments I am indifferent towards Russia/Putin.
 

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Ehh... Russia has been a valuable asset to their allies. See Syria, Venezuela, Iran and China. Heck if it wasn't for Russia, Syria would've BEEN fallen to the USA/West. Nah, Putin has only been at war with the West and its allies. He has not been making more enemies nor has he decreased his enemy list. However, he has been pulling Germany slowly towards Russian ties especially with Trump in office. Nah its TRUMP's America who has been making more and more enemies. Sabotaging structured generational geopolitical alliances.

And for sake of arguments I am indifferent towards Russia/Putin.
Dont get me wrong I like Putin. But they have lost a lot of countries like Bulgaria who only used to buy Russian equipment and are now buying American all the sudden. The aggressive stance Russia has towards Sweden is unnecessary IMO.

And Annexing Crimea is biting them in the ass so i hope it's worth it because now NATO is using that as a justification to sanction anyone who buys from Russia (See China,Malaysia and Egypt SU-35 deals). Truth is they recognize the superiority of some of these Russian made equipment and would rather make sure they dont get marketshare.
 
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Ehh... Russia has been a valuable asset to their allies. See Syria, Venezuela, Iran and China. Heck if it wasn't for Russia, Syria would've BEEN fallen to the USA/West. Nah, Putin has only been at war with the West and its allies. He has not been making more enemies nor has he decreased his enemy list. However, he has been pulling Germany slowly towards Russian ties especially with Trump in office. Nah its TRUMP's America who has been making more and more enemies. Sabotaging structured generational geopolitical alliances.

And for sake of arguments I am indifferent towards Russia/Putin.


Until you see Russian Paratroopers in your local corner store buying cigs and drinking all the vodka
 

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Until you see Russian Paratroopers in your local corner store buying cigs and drinking all the vodka
The paranoia is for real :mjlol:
1930s - The Germans are coming!
1940s - The Japs are coming!
1960s - the Commies are coming!
1980s - The Japanese are coming again! This time it's financially with all them fuel efficient vehicles killing our automotive industry by putting out better cars and shyt:damn:
2000 - The Arabs are here! :damn:
2010 - The Chinamen are coming! We owe them all this money and they're about to recall them loans we took out to feed our appetite for expensive toys and lavish standard of living buying shyt we cant afford on credit :why:
2016 - The Commies are back! They wont let us do our military exercise war games off their shores in the black sea :damn:
 
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The paranoia is for real :mjlol:
1930s - The Germans are coming!
1940s - The Japs are coming!
1960s - the Commies are coming!
1980s - The Japanese are coming again! This time it's financially with all them fuel efficient vehicles killing our automotive industry by putting out better cars and shyt:damn:
2000 - The Arabs are here! :damn:
2010 - The Chinamen are coming! We owe them all this money and they're about to recall them loans we took out to feed our appetite for expensive toys and lavish standard of living buying shyt we cant afford on credit :why:
2016 - The Commies are back! They wont let us do our military exercise war games off their shores in the black sea :damn:
:manny: hope I'm wrong
 

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No country has the resources to outright occupy the United States.

Too large geographically and too well-armed civilians. Noone wants any part of having to deal with such large military AND THEN an armed civilian population. You saw how US occupied Iraq for a few years and look at the scars it left on the U.S. military to the point mofos just wanna do shyt by drone now cause you wanna keep the troops on land to a minimum for fear they'd be scared again. Imagine 10 times that population despite how well armed the U.S. is. Once you get past the U.S. military you then have to get a grip on the civilians that are armed to the teeth themselves.

Most countries just trying to build their own wealth and the U.S. looks at them as a threat to it's own wealth and power. All China has done is built its wealth and given everyone loans. Name me countries China has attacked in the past 50 years outside of their beef with Taiwan whom was part of CHina and the British took it then they became independent. I'll wait. US meanwhile threatens other countries on a weekly basis and has occupied dozens. Some americans dont even know U.S. has occupied countries like Grenada, Dominican Republic, Haiti, etc

Americans are always paranoid for nothing IMO.
 
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