U.S. Considers Asking Black Americans on Census if They Are Slave Descendants
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Heafcliffe
Hope there's puddin' in the clink...
Fukkers can't prove otherwise given their dismal/disrespectful/dastardly recordkeeping.
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The question must be very specific about the location of enslavement b/c I can imagine a lot of Black immigrants Claiming their ancestors were enslaved .
VoxSphere74
Banned
I don't trust anything cacs come up with. Because they're definitely up to something and it's not about helping Black Americans 
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
saturn7
Politics is an EXCHANGE!!!
Good thing this stuff is just on the internet.
Americans have long had an intense conversation about what race and ethnicity says about who they are.
Mar 13, 2023, 06:52 PM EDT
Nyhiem Way is weary of people conflating African American and Black. Shalini Parekh wants a way for South Asian people to identify themselves differently than East Asians with roots in places like China or Japan. And Byron Haskins wants the U.S. to toss racial and ethnic labels altogether.
“When you set up categories that are used to place people in boxes, sometime you miss the truth of them,” said Haskins, who describes himself as African American.
Way, Parekh and Haskins’ voices are among more than 4,600 comments pending before the Biden administration as it contemplates updating the nation’s racial and ethnic categories for the first time since 1997.
There’s a lot to consider.
Some Black Americans want their ancestors’ enslavement recognized in how they are identified. Some Jewish people believe their identity should be seen as its own ethnic category and not only a religion. The idea of revising categories for ethnic and racial identities, both in the census and in gathering demographic information between head counts, have fueled editorials and think-tank essays as well as thousands of written comments by individuals in what is almost a Rorschach test for how Americans identify themselves.
The White House’s Office of Management and Budget is set to decide on new classifications next year and is hosting three virtual town halls on the subject this week.
Some conservatives question the process itself, saying the overarching premise that Americans need more ethnic categories will only accelerate Balkanization.
“By creating and deepening sub-national identities, the government further contributes to the decline of one national American identity,” wrote Mike Gonzalez, a senior fellow at The Heritage Foundation, in his personal comment posted on the OMB web page seeking public input.
That view contrasts sharply with those who say previous categories have overlooked nuances.
“This is certainly a singular moment and opportunity to greatly improve and enhance the accuracy and completeness of the data,” Mario Beovides, director of policy and legislative affairs for the NALEO Educational Fund, said during a recent forum.
The proposed changes would create a new category for people of Middle Eastern and North African descent, also known by the acronym MENA, who are now classified as white but say they have been routinely undercounted.
The process also would combine the race and ethnic origin questions into a single query, because some advocates say the current method of asking about race and separately about ethnic origin often confuses Hispanic respondents. With the revisions, the government would try to get more detailed answers on race and ethnicity by asking about country of origin.
Another proposal recommends striking from federal government forms the words “Negro” and “Far East,” now widely regarded as pejorative. The terms “majority” and “minority” would also be dropped because some officials say they fail to reflect the nation’s complex racial and ethnic diversity.
Several Black Americans, like Way, whose ancestors were enslaved, said in public comments to the OMB that they would like to be identified in a category such as American Freedmen, Foundational Black Americans or American Descendants of Slavery to distinguish themselves from Black immigrants, or even white individuals born in Africa, as well as reflecting their ancestors’ history in the U.S.
Way, who is president of United Sons & Daughters of Freedmen, which describes itself as dedicated to restoring the broken promises from Reconstruction, also recommended substituting the word “population group” for “race.”
Conflating “African American” with “Black” has “blurred what it means to be an African American in this country,” Way, who works for a pharmaceutical company in Athens, Georgia, said in a telephone interview.
The U.S. Government Is Reconsidering What Race And Ethnicity Mean
Americans have long had an intense conversation about what race and ethnicity says about who they are.
Mar 13, 2023, 06:52 PM EDT
Nyhiem Way is weary of people conflating African American and Black. Shalini Parekh wants a way for South Asian people to identify themselves differently than East Asians with roots in places like China or Japan. And Byron Haskins wants the U.S. to toss racial and ethnic labels altogether.
“When you set up categories that are used to place people in boxes, sometime you miss the truth of them,” said Haskins, who describes himself as African American.
Way, Parekh and Haskins’ voices are among more than 4,600 comments pending before the Biden administration as it contemplates updating the nation’s racial and ethnic categories for the first time since 1997.
There’s a lot to consider.
Some Black Americans want their ancestors’ enslavement recognized in how they are identified. Some Jewish people believe their identity should be seen as its own ethnic category and not only a religion. The idea of revising categories for ethnic and racial identities, both in the census and in gathering demographic information between head counts, have fueled editorials and think-tank essays as well as thousands of written comments by individuals in what is almost a Rorschach test for how Americans identify themselves.
The White House’s Office of Management and Budget is set to decide on new classifications next year and is hosting three virtual town halls on the subject this week.
Some conservatives question the process itself, saying the overarching premise that Americans need more ethnic categories will only accelerate Balkanization.
“By creating and deepening sub-national identities, the government further contributes to the decline of one national American identity,” wrote Mike Gonzalez, a senior fellow at The Heritage Foundation, in his personal comment posted on the OMB web page seeking public input.
That view contrasts sharply with those who say previous categories have overlooked nuances.
“This is certainly a singular moment and opportunity to greatly improve and enhance the accuracy and completeness of the data,” Mario Beovides, director of policy and legislative affairs for the NALEO Educational Fund, said during a recent forum.
The proposed changes would create a new category for people of Middle Eastern and North African descent, also known by the acronym MENA, who are now classified as white but say they have been routinely undercounted.
The process also would combine the race and ethnic origin questions into a single query, because some advocates say the current method of asking about race and separately about ethnic origin often confuses Hispanic respondents. With the revisions, the government would try to get more detailed answers on race and ethnicity by asking about country of origin.
Another proposal recommends striking from federal government forms the words “Negro” and “Far East,” now widely regarded as pejorative. The terms “majority” and “minority” would also be dropped because some officials say they fail to reflect the nation’s complex racial and ethnic diversity.
Several Black Americans, like Way, whose ancestors were enslaved, said in public comments to the OMB that they would like to be identified in a category such as American Freedmen, Foundational Black Americans or American Descendants of Slavery to distinguish themselves from Black immigrants, or even white individuals born in Africa, as well as reflecting their ancestors’ history in the U.S.
Way, who is president of United Sons & Daughters of Freedmen, which describes itself as dedicated to restoring the broken promises from Reconstruction, also recommended substituting the word “population group” for “race.”
Conflating “African American” with “Black” has “blurred what it means to be an African American in this country,” Way, who works for a pharmaceutical company in Athens, Georgia, said in a telephone interview.
Roland Coltrane
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saturn7
Politics is an EXCHANGE!!!
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Haskins, a retired government worker from Lansing, Michigan, suggested eliminating race categories like “white” and “Black” since they perpetuate “deeply rooted unjust socio-political constructs.”
Instead, he said people should be able to self-identify as they wish. When his sociologist daughter points out the difficulty of aggregating such data into something useful to address inequalities in housing or voting, or tailoring health or education programs to the needs of communities, he tells her, “Go crazy at it. That’s what you’re being paid for.”
“You need to search for the truth and not just stay with the old categories because someone decided, ‘That is what we decided,’” Haskins said.
Parekh is asking the government to distinguish South Asians from East Asians.
“When these groups are assessed together, one loses a lot of important granularity that can help differentiate issues that are specific to one group and not another,” Parekh said.
The MENA community appears to be having a related problem, based on several comments to OMB. Without its own category, the group’s political power is diluted. People could benefit from cohesive representation, especially if identities were taken into account in drawing political districts, advocates said.
It comes down to something even more personal for Houda Meroueh, who described herself to the Biden administration as a 73-year-old Arab American woman.
“When I go to the doctor’s office I do not feel they have the information necessary to understand my medical history or my culture,” she said. “For all these reasons I want to be counted as who I am. Not as white.
Jordan Steiner said ethnic categories should be expanded to include not only MENA, but other groups like Jews who often regard themselves not only as members of a religious group but an ethnic one too.
Jessica Aksoy commended the proposals to expand the categories, saying she often felt limited about which boxes to check as someone of Turkish, European and Jewish heritage.
“Recognizing our differences is honoring and celebrating the rich melting pot of America,” Aksoy said. “The face of America is changing, and this initiative is for progress in recognizing that.”
Haskins, a retired government worker from Lansing, Michigan, suggested eliminating race categories like “white” and “Black” since they perpetuate “deeply rooted unjust socio-political constructs.”
Instead, he said people should be able to self-identify as they wish. When his sociologist daughter points out the difficulty of aggregating such data into something useful to address inequalities in housing or voting, or tailoring health or education programs to the needs of communities, he tells her, “Go crazy at it. That’s what you’re being paid for.”
“You need to search for the truth and not just stay with the old categories because someone decided, ‘That is what we decided,’” Haskins said.
Parekh is asking the government to distinguish South Asians from East Asians.
“When these groups are assessed together, one loses a lot of important granularity that can help differentiate issues that are specific to one group and not another,” Parekh said.
The MENA community appears to be having a related problem, based on several comments to OMB. Without its own category, the group’s political power is diluted. People could benefit from cohesive representation, especially if identities were taken into account in drawing political districts, advocates said.
It comes down to something even more personal for Houda Meroueh, who described herself to the Biden administration as a 73-year-old Arab American woman.
“When I go to the doctor’s office I do not feel they have the information necessary to understand my medical history or my culture,” she said. “For all these reasons I want to be counted as who I am. Not as white.
Jordan Steiner said ethnic categories should be expanded to include not only MENA, but other groups like Jews who often regard themselves not only as members of a religious group but an ethnic one too.
Jessica Aksoy commended the proposals to expand the categories, saying she often felt limited about which boxes to check as someone of Turkish, European and Jewish heritage.
“Recognizing our differences is honoring and celebrating the rich melting pot of America,” Aksoy said. “The face of America is changing, and this initiative is for progress in recognizing that.”
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
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Do yall not understand that there will be a legit claim by many white people that they are technically "foundational black americans" and "descendants of slaves"
The chains on that argument will always move because there is always a caveat. Negros just here more concerned with being divisive or indirectly trying to blame black immigrants for why their government hasn't given what they know they owe. Listen closely dumb negroes, you could call yourself the American pie red white and blue mayo eaters and it won't convince the policy makers necessary for reparations to budge on their stance. So some imaginary conditions of separating yourself from the "fresh off the boat " people as if it pushes you closer to any kind of restorative justice is just dumb. I mean are yall from America? Do you know the history of this country? When they are openly handing billions to Ukraine when they know what black Americans have been pushing for its them telling us kick fukkin rocks. Some imaginary idea that changing the package on the same old nikka progresses us is just further driving illusion of inclusion. They will fan the flames of this because it further kills our political position but we can't see the trees from the forest because we back to Jim crow thinking and too much in our feelings.
The chains on that argument will always move because there is always a caveat. Negros just here more concerned with being divisive or indirectly trying to blame black immigrants for why their government hasn't given what they know they owe. Listen closely dumb negroes, you could call yourself the American pie red white and blue mayo eaters and it won't convince the policy makers necessary for reparations to budge on their stance. So some imaginary conditions of separating yourself from the "fresh off the boat " people as if it pushes you closer to any kind of restorative justice is just dumb. I mean are yall from America? Do you know the history of this country? When they are openly handing billions to Ukraine when they know what black Americans have been pushing for its them telling us kick fukkin rocks. Some imaginary idea that changing the package on the same old nikka progresses us is just further driving illusion of inclusion. They will fan the flames of this because it further kills our political position but we can't see the trees from the forest because we back to Jim crow thinking and too much in our feelings.
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
need to have an commission that follows up on these alleged $5 FBA asking for legit paperwork
they not slick... this aint gonna be a repeat of the dawes rolls...OperationNumbNutts
Superstar
............and that's the game.Fukkers can't prove otherwise given their dismal/disrespectful/dastardly recordkeeping.
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cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
They will likely base it off genetics. Same way they currently do the Indian federations now. There will be white people who can show and prove ancestry that were on slave plantations. That is why this angle is dumb.need to have an commission that follows up on these alleged $5 FBA asking for legit paperwork
Amo Husserl
Superstar
With the one-drop rule still intact, we gotta be absolutely specific to parentage and lineage from then to now.