Ur Majesty's verse on 'Regulate' Is proof all these GOAT Lists are cons :

[BlackDiBiase]

It makes you wonder who really are amongst the best pound for pound rappers because a lot of your favorites have dope beats and dope features that's money and networking.

Tragedy Khadafi, Capone, Havoc and co would rap circles round Kendrick in a cipher. They would rap circles round Drake, J Cole, Big Sean and etc but they do not have access to dope beats and features.

The greatest list would look a lot different if it was judged on the basis of pure skills alone everything else depends on your team.

They are moving Biggie, Nas, Pac and a few others out these official top 10 20 list and etc. That's disgusting because skills alone Biggie can not be moved ever but people are saying he only has 2 albums it does not matter if he only had 2 verses!! Sonic wise hiphop wise he is the greatest with Nas for skills alone and not your production networking abilities.

Yep, they voted Kendrick second greatest rapper ever of all the lists of legendary masters of this



3rd verse. Ur Majesty.

If we heard all rap verses acapella style some of your favorites would not even get spun, that's the mark of a top shelf rhymer.

In my humble opinion the real pound for pound greatest MC ever no beats no features no songs no "longevity" or "Album quality". Just raw skills!

Biggie
Nas
Mase
Raekwon
Prodigy
Styles P
Jadakiss
Cam
Tragedy Khadafi
Ghost

I only need to hear 16 - 64 bars to recognize a true great MC I do not need a whole LP for proof because that relies on the label,team,networking

What do you think of this hypothesis?

 

[spliz]

Bad take all around. Writing a 16 is WAY different than writing a dope song and crafting a dope album. I'm saying this as an artist myself. ALL of that shyt applies when it comes to the GOATS because that's the business we in. Music. U can't discount the music. And no G Rap or Ra on ur skills list is wild af imo. That just seems like a favorites list honestly.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Lol at "no longevity" .....what a retarded way to judge greatness. That's like ranking the greatest basketball players of all time based on one game. It's moronic. What's separates the very good from the great is consistency. Anybody can drop a great verse once in their life. Even twenty times in their life. But if they can't do it consistently then they're just a fluke.

Lmao at havoc being a better spitter than Kendrick.....and lol at the reason he's not among the greats is because he doesn't have access to dope beats. He's literally a fukkin producer you retard .....he's not among the greats because his pen fell the fukk off after two albums.


You get judged based on your body of work. Period. And it's like that in every professional field. This isn't a fantasy world. This is real life. There were plenty of boxers who had crazy god given ability. But when they got in the ring they just couldn't fight to their potential. Zab Judah for example. He prolly has more natural talent than Floyd Mayweather. But Floyd had the discipline. The mind. The longevity. That's what separates the good from the greats. It's not about ability. It's about being able to be great day in and day out over your entire career.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Bad take all around. Writing a 16 is WAY different than writing a dope song and crafting a dope album. I'm saying this as an artist myself. ALL of that shyt applies when it comes to the GOATS because that's the business we in. Music. U can't discount the music. And no G Rap or Ra on ur skills list is wild af imo. That just seems like a favorites list honestly.

As you are an artist you would respect more someones ability rather than his circumstances which is often the case with successful rappers.

Dope take though, I missed out G Rap and Ra I missed out a few just gave a few recommendations of mine.

Lol at "no longevity" .....what a retarded way to judge greatness. That's like ranking the greatest basketball players of all time based on one game. It's moronic. What's separates the very good from the great is consistency. Anybody can drop a great verse once in their life. Even twenty times in their life. But if they can't do it consistently then they're just a fluke.

Lmao at havoc being a better spitter than Kendrick.....and lol at the reason he's not among the greats is because he doesn't have access to dope beats. He's literally a fukkin producer you retard .....he's not among the greats because his pen fell the fukk off after two albums.


You get judged based on your body of work. Period. And it's like that in every professional field. This isn't a fantasy world. This is real life. There were plenty of boxers who had crazy god given ability. But when they got in the ring they just couldn't fight to their potential. Zab Judah for example. He prolly has more natural talent than Floyd Mayweather. But Floyd had the discipline. The mind. The longevity. That's what separates the good from the greats. It's not about ability. It's about being able to be great day in and day out over your entire career.

funny retort I like it.

And also I appreciate the highlighted but hiphop goes too far. People rate Jimi Hendrixx off of guitar skills not his long list of hit records.

They are discrediting Biggie off of 2 albums that's foul. There is enough proof there he is an all time legend of skills. I still lean on the fact you give the labels and producers and team equal credit for great records because of their access but your point is nice. I can really respect it.

 

[Knucklehead]

And also I appreciate the highlighted but hiphop goes too far. People rate Jimi Hendrixx off of guitar skills not his long list of hit records.

Respectfully people rate Jimi Hendrix off the 3 albums that he released that range from classic to some of the greatest albums of all time.
There are a long list of phenomenal guitarists who couldn’t write great songs that aren’t considered anywhere in the same breath as Hendrix. Ask a guitar nerd who the best guitarists ever are and they will have a lot of names that don’t register with the average music fan.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Respectfully people rate Jimi Hendrix off the 3 albums that he released that range from classic to some of the greatest albums of all time.
There are a long list of phenomenal guitarists who couldn’t write great songs that aren’t considered anywhere in the same breath as Hendrix. Ask a guitar nerd who the best guitarists ever are and they will have a lot of names that don’t register with the average music fan.

Like Stevie Vaughn Ray, I hear you.

I guess phenomenal lyricist don't get judged solely off the basis of their pen or raps. It's the whole composition of dope beats and features and etc.

An example 'Rich Boy' 3 smash singles that displayed top tier abilities but because Polow Da Don and his team went adrift he will never be credited for being potentially an all time great. I heard even Jay bite some bars off 'Rich Boy'. He is back underground making new jams but no production value.

You could insert unsung rapper after unsung rapper that never got their fair share of praises due to circumstances rather than ability.

My opinion is left field I can understand but I personally I rate rappers who I know can go off even acapella lol.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Lol at "no longevity" .....what a retarded way to judge greatness. That's like ranking the greatest basketball players of all time based on one game. It's moronic. What's separates the very good from the great is consistency. Anybody can drop a great verse once in their life. Even twenty times in their life. But if they can't do it consistently then they're just a fluke.

Lmao at havoc being a better spitter than Kendrick.....and lol at the reason he's not among the greats is because he doesn't have access to dope beats. He's literally a fukkin producer you retard .....he's not among the greats because his pen fell the fukk off after two albums.


You get judged based on your body of work. Period. And it's like that in every professional field. This isn't a fantasy world. This is real life. There were plenty of boxers who had crazy god given ability. But when they got in the ring they just couldn't fight to their potential. Zab Judah for example. He prolly has more natural talent than Floyd Mayweather. But Floyd had the discipline. The mind. The longevity. That's what separates the good from the greats. It's not about ability. It's about being able to be great day in and day out over your entire career.

OP has some of the most consistent worst takes of all time. he lays dormant for long periods then pops up stinking up the forum with doo doo thoughts