US is dropping bombs on opium factories

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Hood Critic]

Let the dogs off the leash brehs...

 

[88m3]

 

[ill]

Same government that was protecting the fields just a few years ago. The uptick in heroin in the states coincided strongly with our war in Afghanistan. We gave protection to opium farmers who rape little boys just so they would side with us against ge taliban. Now we’re bombing our previous allies. Circle of war keeps rolling

 

[88m3]

Same government that was protecting the fields just a few years ago. The uptick in heroin in the states coincided strongly with our war in Afghanistan. We gave protection to opium farmers who rape little boys just so they would side with us against ge taliban. Now we’re bombing our previous allies. Circle of war keeps rolling

the majority of the opium goes east but whatever floats your boat

 

[Solomon Caine]

Just remember none Taliban poppy fields are not effected. There won’t b a drought in these streets.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

We need the afghan people on our side
The afghan people rely on opium production
We don't want the Taliban profiting either
We blow up opium production in the hopes that Taliban is harmed
But at the same time everyone knows the Taliban will always be a part of any future afghan government
The market (US/Europe) for opium derived products will never die, so opium production will continue
So at the end of the day, the afghan people continue to be fukked

We need to have a face to face with the Taliban and come to some sort of "understanding." They're not any worse than the Saudis or some of the other fukkd up governments we deal with.

Such a clusterfukk

 

[88m3]

We need the afghan people on our side
The afghan people rely on opium production
We don't want the Taliban profiting either
We blow up opium production in the hopes that Taliban is harmed
But at the same time everyone knows the Taliban will always be a part of any future afghan government
The market (US/Europe) for opium derived products will never die, so opium production will continue
So at the end of the day, the afghan people continue to be fukked

We need to have a face to face with the Taliban and come to some sort of "understanding." They're not any worse than the Saudis or some of the other fukkd up governments we deal with.

Such a clusterfukk

They're not interested.

 

[ill]

the majority of the opium goes east but whatever floats your boat

Our soldiers and tax dollars shouldn’t be used to guard opium warlords. My buddies in the military used to do protective details for opium farms. It was not spoken about.

Lol at it all going east. Afghan produces something like 97% of the entire supply. There’s zero chance it doesn’t end up in the states. Mexico doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity yet.

 

[88m3]

Our soldiers and tax dollars shouldn’t be used to guard opium warlords. My buddies in the military used to do protective details for opium farms. It was not spoken about.

Lol at it all going east. Afghan produces something like 97% of the entire supply. There’s zero chance it doesn’t end up in the states. Mexico doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity yet.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

They're not interested.

Who?

 

[ill]

Opium production in Afghanistan - Wikipedia

Look at the production chart. They’ve more than doubled production since we invaded and started protecting small farmers in our battle against the Taliban.

 

[88m3]

Who?

The Taliban.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

The Taliban.

Of course they would. In fact it's been broached already. Problem is that we're going in there with demands/conditions that no one would accept (for example laying down arms). We should concede that the Taliban will be a part of the future government (which as representatives of the largest ethnic group in the country, should be a given). At the same time we can maintain the right to attack AQ/ISIL and the more extreme dead-ender Taliban, and to defend groups/people from reprisals.

But at the end of the day, this has, like many other military stalemates throughout history, turned into a pissing match. Pride is dictating policy. No president wants to be the one who "lost Afghanistan."

Another option would be to let the country break apart.

 

[Trajan]

Same government that was protecting the fields just a few years ago. The uptick in heroin in the states coincided strongly with our war in Afghanistan. We gave protection to opium farmers who rape little boys just so they would side with us against ge taliban. Now we’re bombing our previous allies. Circle of war keeps rolling

Facts. I read somewhere the CIA was encouraging it back in the day as it provided funding for the mujahideen and they were simultaneously encouraging smuggling into Russia in order to weaken it through drug addiction. Win-win.

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The CIA extended the mantle of their alliance to these drug lords and in every case the drug lords used it to expand a small local trade in opium into a major source of supply for the world markets and the United States.

While they were allied with the United States these drug lords were absolutely immune to any kind of investigation. If you're involved in any kind of illicit commodity trade, organized crime activity like drug trafficking, there is only one requisite for success, immunity, and the CIA gave them that. As long as they were allied with the CIA, the local police and then the DEA stayed away from the drug lords.

Finally, if there were any allegations about the involvement of their allies in the drug trade, the CIA would use their good offices to quash those allegations.

This meant that these drug lords, connected with the CIA, and protected by the CIA, were able to release periodic heroin surges, and [in Latin America] periodic cocaine surges. You can trace very precisely during the 40 years of the cold war, the upsurge in narcotics supply in the United States with covert operations.

Who were the manufacturers? They were all either military factions connected with Pakistan intelligence, CIA allies, or Afghan resistance groups connected with the CIA and Pakistan intelligence. In May of 1990, ten years after this began, the Washington Post finally ran a front page story saying high U.S. officials admit that Gulbuddin Hekmatyar [leader of the Hezbi-i Islami guerilla group], and other leaders of the Afghan resistance are leading heroin manufacturers.

This had been known for years, reported in the Pakistan press, indeed in 1980 reported in McClean's magazine. In fact in 1980 a White House narcotics advisor, Dr. David Musto of Yale University, went on the record demanding that we not ally with Afghan guerilla groups that were involved in narcotics. His advice was ignored and he went public in an op-ed in the New York Times.

Alfred McCoy

Alfred W. McCoy is professor of Southeast Asian History at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. Educated at Columbia and Yale, he has spent the past twenty years writing about Southeast Asian history and politics. Mr. McCoy participated in Causes and Cures: National Teleconference on the Narcotics Epidemic Saturday, November 9 1991, at Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan.