Venezuela Crisis: Failed coup attempt by Juan Guaido; Military remains supporting Nicholas Maduro
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Bruh. Pompeo was already talking about Russians in venezuela 3 days ago! Pompeo says Russians convinced Venezuela's Maduro not to flee
What are YOU takling about?
Trump is an OBVIOUS dumbass. I have/will never support or defend him.
I'm NOT a republican.
I'm NOT a conservative.
I just want whats best for the people.
Maduro hasn't been that for the better half of a decade at this point.
I'm talking about the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
He told you he has no idea what is going on in Venezuela. He ultimately has a lot of unilateral power when it comes to military intervention. Hence, no US intervention should take place while this retard remains in control of the military.
It's "possible" that retard Trump's intervention in Venezuela turns out to be a good thing, in the same sense it's "possible" for a monkey with a typewriter to press a random sequence of keys that happens to be one of Shakespeare's works.
Until 2 hours ago, you couldn't use this argument.I'm talking about the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces
He told you he has no idea what is going on in Venezuela. He ultimately has a lot of unilateral power when it comes to military intervention. Hence, no US intervention should take place while this retard remains in control of the military.
It's "possible" that retard Trump's intervention in Venezuela turns out to be a good thing, in the same sense it's "possible" for a monkey with a typewriter to press a random sequence of keys that happens to be one of Shakespeare's works.
So just be honest.
You were against removing Maduro anyways, not just because Trump is an idiot.
@88m3 @dtownreppin214
I couldn't make an argument that Trump is a clueless retard who is unfit to lead the country and military more than 2 hours ago?
You yourself have called Trump a clueless retard hundreds or thousand of times on this forum. Now you're pretending he is a "very stable genius" who normally has a clue about foreign policy, until 2 hours ago?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...s-over-cuba-says-zero/?utm_term=.89c16a238637
washingtonpost.com
How many Cuban troops are there in Venezuela? The U.S. says over 20,000. Cuba says zero.
By Adam Taylor
5-6 minutes
Demonstrators throw bottle bombs at the La Carlota military base in Caracas, Venezuela, on April 30. (Edilzon Gamez/Getty Images)
Adam Taylor
Foreign reporter who writes about a variety of subjects
May 2 at 12:39 PM
As opposition leader Juan Guaidó failed to ignite a military uprising in Venezuela this week, his allies in Washington placed the blame not only on troop loyalty toward President Nicolás Maduro, but also the alleged presence of Cuban troops in the country.
“I think it’s fear of the 20,000 to 25,000 Cuban security forces in the country” that prevented Venezuelan troops from heeding Guaidó's call, White House national security adviser John Bolton said Tuesday. But Cuban officials not only dispute these figures — they say the exact opposite.
“There are no troops,” Carlos Fernández de Cossío, Cuba’s director general of U.S. affairs, told the Associated Press in Washington on Wednesday. “Cuba does not participate in military operations nor in security operations in Venezuela.”
Accusations of foreign involvement in Venezuela’s crisis are not new from either side. After the failure of the uprising on Tuesday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo suggested that Russian officials had persuaded Maduro to stay put instead of fleeing. Venezuelan officials have accused the United States of backing a “coup” attempt organized by Guaidó.
But the allegation about Cuban security forces in Venezuela would seem easier to prove or disprove — after all, how do you hide 20,000 to 25,000 soldiers?
Former U.S. officials say there may be a gray area. “It’s hard to say what’s what,” said Fernando Cutz, who was a senior adviser to then-national security adviser H.R. McMaster and served as South America director in the National Security Council. “The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.”
The ambiguity notwithstanding, President Trump has threatened to impose a full embargo and high-level sanctions on Cuba over the alleged Cuban troop presence in Venezuela. “Hopefully, all Cuban soldiers will promptly and peacefully return to their island!” Trump tweeted Tuesday.
In response, Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodríguez Parrilla accused the United States of outright falsehoods about Cuba’s role in Venezuela, describing Bolton as a “pathological liar who misinforms Trump.”
There are no Cuban soldiers in Venezuela, Rodríguez tweeted Tuesday, nor Cubans taking part in any military or security operations there. “Only medical staff in humanitarian mission,” he said.
Cuba has a long-standing agreement with Venezuela to trade temporary workers for billions of dollars in oil. By most reports, upward of 20,000 Cubans are indeed in Venezuela, but Havana says many of them are doctors and nurses, part of Cuba’s system of exporting its well-trained medical workers all over the world in exchange for cash and other benefits.
Johana Tablada, de Cossío’s deputy, told reporters in Havana this week that all Cubans in Venezuela are civilians and that 94 percent of them work in medical missions. (Recent estimates suggest that Cuba’s armed forces may number as low as 40,000.)
But accounts from former Venezuelan military officials suggest that Cubans play a significant role in the Venezuelan armed forces. In an interview with The Washington Post in March, one former lieutenant colonel in the Venezuelan army who fled to the United States in 2018 said Cubans dressed in civilian clothing acted as “our supervisors and decision-makers.”:whatyoumean::confusedjagfan:
Cuban doctors in Venezuela have been accused of using medical care to compel patients to vote for Maduro ahead of last year’s presidential election. :weebaynanimated:
Even so, the exact influence of Cuba on Venezuela is hard to gauge. “There is no doubt that Cubans are very much assisting the Venezuelan regime — the Maduro regime — to stay in power,” said Cutz, the former NSC official.
Is their presence so strong that if they left, Maduro’s regime would collapse? Cutz said he wasn’t so sure. “We never had to have those conversations,” he said of his time working in the Trump administration, which he and McMaster left a year ago.
Supporters of the administration’s Venezuela policy, such as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), would dispute this. Responding to a New York Times story that reported that a CIA assessment concluded Cuba was not as involved in Venezuela as the administration believed, Rubio said the reporters were being “lied to.”
No U.S. agency doubts that Cuba is in “effective control of Venezuela security forces,” Rubio tweeted Thursday morning. But the senator and others making similar claims have offered no evidence — a detail that Cuban officials have repeatedly highlighted.
“I invite them to provide evidence,” Rodríguez said last week during a news conference in Havana. “I invite them to provide proof.”
@88m3 @dtownreppin214
Listen to me very carefully.I couldn't make an argument that Trump is a clueless retard who is unfit to lead the country and military more than 2 hours ago?
You yourself have called Trump a clueless retard hundreds or thousand of times on this forum. Now you're pretending he is a "very stable genius" who normally has a clue about foreign policy, until 2 hours ago?
UNTIL 2 HOURS AGO, YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT TRUMP WOULD *AGAIN* PUT HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH AND DENY THE VERY EXISTENCE OF RUSSIA IN VENEZUELA...AND YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS YOUR LEADING ARGUMENT WHEN YOU WERE ALREADY AGAINST REMOVING MADURO.
I'm saying you're being disingenuous.
I didn't know he would say that specifically, obviously. But I did know he was a retard and hence unfit to lead us into potential battle.
What's disingenuous is calling the commander of the armed forces a complete idiot who can't speak properly, and thinking an intervention ultimately led by this guy will turn out alright.
@Jhoon @Nobu @FAH1223 @Cynic @For Da Bag
Is this what you're defending?:whatyoumean:
‘It Is Unspeakable’: How Maduro Used Cuban Doctors to Coerce Venezuela Voters
@88m3 @dtownreppin214 @Tres Leches This is what they're defending
Is this what you're defending?:whatyoumean:
‘It Is Unspeakable’: How Maduro Used Cuban Doctors to Coerce Venezuela Voters
@88m3 @dtownreppin214 @Tres Leches This is what they're defending
@Jhoon @Nobu @FAH1223 @Cynic @For Da Bag
Is this what you're defending?:whatyoumean:
‘It Is Unspeakable’: How Maduro Used Cuban Doctors to Coerce Venezuela Voters
@88m3 @dtownreppin214 @Tres Leches This is what they're defending
And the "complete idiot" will fix it, right?
This is who you believe in
@∆y = f(∆x)
Congrats.
Russia wins.
Again.
Another bloodless geopolitical coup. And WE lose.
You're surely happy.
I really don't understand you. If no one gets hurt, but you lose power and influence, how is that a win?
What, concretely, does the average American lose by Venezuela not having an endless civil war?
You presume too much for my liking:
Who said anything about war?
Who said anything about endless?
Venezuela facilitates terror financing, promotes anti USA sentiment, and destabilizes regional neighbors in ways that THEY THEMSELVES have united to try and fix.
Venezuela is the house in the subdivision causing all the problems and people are getting fed up with it.
Literally all of those things you listed, Saudi Arabia does. Yet, the US remains extremely close allies with them, and helps them create a situation worse than Venezuela is in right now in Yemen. The US isn't concerned with any of that, they just want death and destruction.
