Very Interesting Video On Poverty, Social Welfare & Almost 1Trillion A Yr Without Results!

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Very interesting video
If you spend 1 trillion dollars a year to help the poor wouldn't you have completely abolished poverty by now?
How does 1 Trillion a year not solve the problem?
It's ridiculous, only possible answer is that if these 126 anti-poverty programs don't use all that money to fight poverty, I cannot see anything else!

On top of that......... WORK!
 

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in addition to the video, I once went camping(which I dislike, boring!)
and we went to this camping ground, and people lived there, there was a big community of people.
They lived in houses, I don't know how to describe the houses but they were like between trailers and homes, but it had an address.
Everyone lived in such a structure, a half trailer half house. They paid rock bottom for it!

And they were on welfare and other social programs, every single one of them!
All white people too
They paid little for where they lived and received checks from the govt. every month, none of them worked.
They all were living very modestly but they all had mad cash, I mean cash specifically, some in the bank but mostly cash.
they all lived in absolute comfort in a very modest home, but lifestyle wise they were balling.
I was camping there for 4 days, most of them were racist and didn't like talking to me because of my skin color, but some of them told me about their life.

Some of them had gardens for fruits and vegetables, they all ate a lot of potatoes grown in their backyards.
Man think of it, little half trailer half home and food grown in your small lawn in a very organized fashion, how much expenses did they have? VERY LITTLE!
 

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Very interesting video
If you spend 1 trillion dollars a year to help the poor wouldn't you have completely abolished poverty by now?
How does 1 Trillion a year not solve the problem?
It's ridiculous, only possible answer is that if these 126 anti-poverty programs don't use all that money to fight poverty, I cannot see anything else!

On top of that......... WORK!

herp derp.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/authority/2013/08/21/no-cato-welfare-doesnt-pay-more-than-minimum-wage/
7 types of help

Don't get me wrong welfare is horribly implemented in the USA, it's enough to keep you alive but not enough to actually help you out of poverty...ergo not enough to combat poverty. This cato report is trash though ...surprise...


TANF - 2 year lifetime limit (about $600 a month in cash)

Medicaid - Healthcare

WIC - How convenient that this program is only available to Women Infants and Childred & it just so happens that the kids in the example are under 5 and an infant. Essentially this benefit is only available for 5 years per kid and only covers realitively healthy things like milk, cheese, beens and such. And then that's only 150 bucks or so a month.

School lunches - study after study shows the benefit of NOT STARVING and how that positively effects learning.

Public housing vouchers - Cause having roaming gangs of homeless is a much better solution.

Utilities Assistance - In most cases this again isn't ALL THE TIME. Or in many cases subsidized by donations
 

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herp derp.
http://scientopia.org/blogs/authority/2013/08/21/no-cato-welfare-doesnt-pay-more-than-minimum-wage/
7 types of help

Don't get me wrong welfare is horribly implemented in the USA, it's enough to keep you alive but not enough to actually help you out of poverty...ergo not enough to combat poverty. This cato report is trash though ...surprise...


TANF - 2 year lifetime limit (about $600 a month in cash)

Medicaid - Healthcare

WIC - How convenient that this program is only available to Women Infants and Childred & it just so happens that the kids in the example are under 5 and an infant. Essentially this benefit is only available for 5 years per kid and only covers realitively healthy things like milk, cheese, beens and such. And then that's only 150 bucks or so a month.

School lunches - study after study shows the benefit of NOT STARVING and how that positively effects learning.

Public housing vouchers - Cause having roaming gangs of homeless is a much better solution.

Utilities Assistance - In most cases this again isn't ALL THE TIME. Or in many cases subsidized by donations
:beli:
Your arguments assume the issue is we're doing those things, when its how we are doing them.
 

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Cato institute? :beli:

Video is nothing more than typical right-wing circle jerk of implicitly calling poor people/minorities lazy. :camby:

It implicitly assumes that it's possible for everybody who wants to work to find a job. But if there are 100 workers and 80 jobs available then you're going to have a 20% unemployment rate (at least) regardless of how much the remaining workers may want to find a job.
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-dont-spend-1-trillion-on-welfare-each-year/

No, we don’t spend $1 trillion on welfare each year

By Mike Konczal January 12
If you’ve read any conservative commentary on the war on poverty in the past week, you’ve likely seen this talking point: “We spend $1 trillion each year on welfare and there’s been no reduction in poverty.” That’s crazy! Then, a sentence later, you’ll probably see a line like this: “It’s true. According to a recent report, we spend a trillion dollars on means-test programs each year, yet the official census numbers show no reduction in poverty.”

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A farmers market in Roseville, Calif. advertises its acceptance of EBT (electronic benefit transfer) cards, which are used for food stamps. (Rich Pedroncelli/AP)
If you are reading that second line quickly, you probably think it bolsters the credibility of the first line. It’s an “official” number, and the census and the report probably quote accurate numbers too, night? They do, but the second sentence is actually used as an escape hatch to say something that isn’t true. We don’t spend anywhere near a trillion dollars on welfare unless you mangle the term “welfare” to be meaningless, and we do reduce poverty.

First, Dylan Matthews has already dissected the claim that poverty hasn’t declined. It has. It’s just that the “official” poverty rate doesn’t factor in the earned-income tax credit or food stamps in its calculations. Given that these are two of the most direct ways that the government tries to lift people out of poverty, that’s a major problem. These programs do, in fact, lift people out of poverty--it just doesn’t show up in the official rate, because that’s how the rate is constructed.

The claim about $1 trillion on “welfare” is more interesting and complicated. It shows up in this recent report from the Cato Institute, which argues that the federal government spends $668 billion dollars per year on 126 different welfare programs (spending by the state and local governments push that figure up to $1 trillion per year).

Welfare has traditionally meant some form of “outdoor relief,” or cash, or cash-like compensation, that is given to the poor without them having to enter an institution. As the historian Michael Katz has documented, the battle over outdoor relief, has been a long one throughout our country’s history.

However, this claims says any money mostly spent on the poor is “welfare.” To give you a better sense here, the federal spending breaks down into a couple of broad categories. Only about one-third of it is actually what we think of as “welfare”:

1) Cash and cash-like programs: As Michael Linden of Center for American Progress told me, there are five big programs in the Cato list that are most analogous to what people think of as “welfare”: The refundable part of the Earned Income Tax Credit ($55 billion), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families ($21 billion), Supplemental Security Income ($43.7 billion), food stamps ($75 billion), and housing vouchers ($18 billion) and the Child Tax Credit. All together, that’s around $212 billion dollars."


2) Health care: This is actually the biggest item on Cato’s list. Medicaid spends $228 billion on the non-elderly population, and children’s health insurance plan takes up another $13.5 billion. This is also roughly a third as well.

3) Opportunity-related programs: These are programs that are broadly related to opportunities, mostly in education or job-training. So you have things like Title 1 grants ($14 billion) and Head Start ($7.1 billion) in this category. But as Center on Budget and Policy Priorities’ Donna Pavetti notes, these programs don’t all go to poor people. For instance, Title I benefits school districts with a large share of poor children, however that money will help non-poor students attending those schools.

4) Targeted and community programs: What remains are programs designed to provide certain services to poor communities, which make up the bulk of the number of programs. Adoption assistance ($2.5 billion) and low income taxpayer clinics ($9.9 million) are two examples here.

So what should we take away from this?

--The federal government spends just $212 billion per year on what we could reasonably call “welfare.” (Even then, the poor have to enter the institution of waged labor to get the earned income tax credit.) And there have been numerous studies showing that these programs, especially things like food stamps, are both very efficient and effective at reducing poverty. They just don’t show up in the official poverty statistics, because that’s how the poverty statistics are designed.

-- Publicly funded services have never been thought of as welfare. I drive on publicly funded roads, but nobody analytically thinks of roads as belonging to category of “welfare.” If the poor take advantage of, say, a low-income taxpayer clinic, how is that welfare? Do taxpayer clinics encourage illegitimacy, dependency and idleness and other things conservatives worry about when it comes to welfare? This confuses more than it illuminates, which I imagine is the point.

Medicaid makes this very obvious. If a poor person gets access to decent health care, that’s not free money they get to spend on whatever they want. They aren’t “on the dole.”

-- The fact that Social Security and Medicare, major victories of the War on Poverty, aren’t here makes it clear something is wrong in the definition. Even though these are anti-poverty programs associated with the War on Poverty, nobody thinks of them as welfare, though they should fit this definition as well.

--It’s interesting to see conservatives consider opportunity programs to be “welfare,” because those programs broadly involve things they say they are for. Perhaps you think these programs are good investments or perhaps you don’t, but they are a whole other conceptual category than welfare, or just giving poor people money when they need it.

It’s also interesting to see conservatives lament the sheer number of anti-poverty programs. One reason this set-up exists is because so many programs are run through nonprofit groups (a set-up that makes us unique among developed countries). But conservatives have long tended to favor this arrangement, since nonprofit groups are supposed to boost civil society and provide an antidote to the nameless, faceless Big Government bureaucrats.

Read that again: conservatives complain that we should have less welfare and more opportunity and civil society, only to turn around and also call those things “welfare” too when the time comes.

-- Perhaps some of these programs should be discontinued, or expanded, or turned into straight cash. (How about cash instead of food stamps?) But we can’t have a productive conversation unless we make it clear what the government is, and is not, doing. And it is spending a lot less on welfare than conservatives claim, and getting fantastic results for what it does spend.
 

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It implicitly assumes that it's possible for everybody who wants to work to find a job. But if there are 100 workers and 80 jobs available then you're going to have a 20% unemployment rate (at least) regardless of how much the remaining workers may want to find a job.
Agreed, which is why I think we should have a conversation about fixing the job problem rather than making it ok when there aren't enough jobs... and making it so safety nets dont encourage people(in any way) to not work...
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Cato institute? :beli:

Video is nothing more than typical right-wing circle jerk of implicitly calling poor people/minorities lazy. :camby:

It implicitly assumes that it's possible for everybody who wants to work to find a job. But if there are 100 workers and 80 jobs available then you're going to have a 20% unemployment rate (at least) regardless of how much the remaining workers may want to find a job.
you are lazy!

You: "Ughh.. duhh there's no jobs out there"

that's lazy talk by American liberals, learn from Asians!
Chinese people come here, do all of them look for jobs? No, many get financing and buy a corner store or a motel.
Friggin owner of ATI Technologies that make graphic cards, dude came from japan and started creating graphic cards in his garage, then hired some people now you have ATI Technologies.

From owning small roach motels to corporate behemots, all you think of is that there's no jobs out there!

My father, he didn't have an employer ever, he just strung rackets all his life. From tennis rackets, badminton to squash and racquetball.
He used to string all of them by hand, then he got more customers and then bought a stringing machine for $1000 or so.
he used to spend a lot of times at different tennis courts having fun playing tennis and making relationships with potential customers.
then he started selling to tennis clubs, then he used to buy sporting goods in liquidation and sell them for a higher price and then owned a store.

But you?
What do you say?

UGHHH... Nobody wants to GIVE me a job....
 

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Cato institute? :beli:

Video is nothing more than typical right-wing circle jerk of implicitly calling poor people/minorities lazy. :camby:

It implicitly assumes that it's possible for everybody who wants to work to find a job. But if there are 100 workers and 80 jobs available then you're going to have a 20% unemployment rate (at least) regardless of how much the remaining workers may want to find a job.
@theworldismine13 :mjpls:
 
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