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Trying in the context of a war or warfare, usually involves military strategy. or Aid for the struggling people in the warzone

Protesting and shyt like that is something you do to Target. Not to an opposing military. or for a starving community
I mean it kind of worked on South Africa and Rhodesia. Those Palestinians are basically in Arab apartheid
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Trying in the context of a war or warfare, usually involves military strategy. or Aid for the struggling people in the warzone

Protesting and shyt like that is something you do to Target. Not to an opposing military. or for a starving community
Those are examples of trying. You could make the argument that Yeman, Lebanon and Iran are providing military support and UNRWA was providing aid.

Protesting is a civil way of trying and to insinuate its ineffective denies our country's own history of its efficacy
 

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Those are examples of trying. You could make the argument that Yeman, Lebanon and Iran are providing military support and UNRWA was providing aid.

Protesting is a civil way of trying and to insinuate its ineffective denies our country's own history of its efficacy
Protesting is a way trying when its your own countries policies. Not when its two foreign nations fighting. The violence in middle east has nothing to do with our history of protesting efficacy, except that it has been wholly ineffective solving middle eastern conflicts since 1776
 

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Protesting is a way trying when its your own countries policies. Not when its two foreign nations fighting.
... you think what's happening in Gaza has nothing to do with us, from a policy perspective? Are serious?

The violence in middle east has nothing to do with our history of protesting efficacy, except that it has been wholly ineffective solving middle eastern conflicts since 1776
What is the basis for your argument? Draw a through line from 1776 to now
 

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... you think what's happening in Gaza has nothing to do with us, from a policy perspective? Are serious?


What is the basis for your argument? Draw a through line from 1776 to now
sure, violence over there has been continuous since before this nation was founded and will likely continue even after we eventually collapse. our policies or protests will do nothing to stop the violence and have never done so in the past. a Every 100 years we change the name of the conflict and cast blame in different directions. but people having killing each other and dying over there in the name religious differences since before the industrial age, and will likely carry on into extra terrestrial colonialism 4000 years from now, when somebody tries to lay religious claim to Mars or some shyt
"peace in middle east" has been a slogan since i was a little kid, and there still isn't peace.
 

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sure, violence over there has been continuous since before this nation was founded and will likely continue even after we eventually collapse. our policies or protests will do nothing to stop the violence and have never done so in the past. a Every 100 years we change the name of the conflict and cast blame in different directions. but people having killing each other and dying over there in the name religious differences since before the industrial age, and will likely carry on into extra terrestrial colonialism 4000 years from now, when somebody tries to lay religious claim to Mars or some shyt
"peace in middle east" has been a slogan since i was a little kid, and there still isn't peace.


Your argument hinges on a fatalistic view of Middle Eastern conflict as an unchanging, eternal cycle of violence—one that ignores historical nuance, the role of external powers, and the proven impact of activism and policy shifts. Let’s dismantle this myth with evidence:

1. Violence Isn’t Inevitable—It’s Fueled by Policy

The claim that Middle Eastern conflict is purely "religious" or timeless ignores how colonial borders, foreign intervention, and resource exploitation created instability. For example:

The Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916): Britain and France arbitrarily carved up the region, igniting sectarian tensions that persist today (Cleveland & Bunton, A History of the Modern Middle East, 2016).

U.S. and Soviet Cold War Proxy Wars: Conflicts like the Afghan jihad (1979–89) were exacerbated by superpower arms shipments, not ancient hatreds (Coll, Ghost Wars, 2004).

Gaza’s Current Crisis: The blockade (since 2007) and U.S. military aid to Israel ($3.8B/year) sustain the violence—this isn’t "natural," it’s policy-driven (Congressional Research Service, 2024).


2. Protests and Policy Have Changed Outcomes

Dismissing activism ignores history:

Vietnam War: Mass protests pressured the U.S. to withdraw, saving countless lives (Zinn, A People’s History of the United States, 1980).

South African Apartheid: Global boycotts and U.S. campus protests forced Reagan to sanction the regime, hastening its fall (Nesbitt, Race for Sanctions, 2004).

Gaza Ceasefires (2021, 2023): Public pressure pushed Biden to call for pauses—proof that outcry disrupts unconditional support (The Guardian, 2023).


3. "No Peace Ever" Is a Myth—Progress Has Happened

Northern Ireland’s Good Friday Agreement (1998): Ended centuries of sectarian violence through diplomacy—not inevitability (BBC History).

Israel-Egypt Peace (1979): U.S. brokered a deal proving even "eternal" enemies can halt wars (Council on Foreign Relations).


4. The "Religious Conflict" Trope Is Overplayed

The Gaza war isn’t about theology—it’s about land, blockade, and apartheid. Even Israeli historians like Ilan Pappé document how Zionism displaced Palestinians (The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, 2006). Hamas’s rise? A direct result of occupation, not "ancient hatred" (UN Report on Gaza, 2022).

5. Cynicism Enables Complicity

If people believed protests never worked, slavery, suffrage, and civil rights wouldn’t have ended. The U.S. could cut military aid to Israel (as it did to Turkey over Armenia in 1975). It could enforce UN resolutions. The obstacle isn’t "human nature"—it’s political will.
 

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Your argument hinges on a fatalistic view of Middle Eastern conflict as an unchanging, eternal cycle of violence—one that ignores historical nuance, the role of external powers, and the proven impact of activism and policy shifts. Let’s dismantle this myth with evidence:

1. Violence Isn’t Inevitable—It’s Fueled by Policy

The claim that Middle Eastern conflict is purely "religious" or timeless ignores how colonial borders, foreign intervention, and resource exploitation created instability. For example:

The Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916): Britain and France arbitrarily carved up the region, igniting sectarian tensions that persist today (Cleveland & Bunton, A History of the Modern Middle East, 2016).

U.S. and Soviet Cold War Proxy Wars: Conflicts like the Afghan jihad (1979–89) were exacerbated by superpower arms shipments, not ancient hatreds (Coll, Ghost Wars, 2004).

Gaza’s Current Crisis: The blockade (since 2007) and U.S. military aid to Israel ($3.8B/year) sustain the violence—this isn’t "natural," it’s policy-driven (Congressional Research Service, 2024).


2. Protests and Policy Have Changed Outcomes

Dismissing activism ignores history:

Vietnam War: Mass protests pressured the U.S. to withdraw, saving countless lives (Zinn, A People’s History of the United States, 1980).

South African Apartheid: Global boycotts and U.S. campus protests forced Reagan to sanction the regime, hastening its fall (Nesbitt, Race for Sanctions, 2004).

Gaza Ceasefires (2021, 2023): Public pressure pushed Biden to call for pauses—proof that outcry disrupts unconditional support (The Guardian, 2023).


3. "No Peace Ever" Is a Myth—Progress Has Happened

Northern Ireland’s Good Friday Agreement (1998): Ended centuries of sectarian violence through diplomacy—not inevitability (BBC History).

Israel-Egypt Peace (1979): U.S. brokered a deal proving even "eternal" enemies can halt wars (Council on Foreign Relations).


4. The "Religious Conflict" Trope Is Overplayed

The Gaza war isn’t about theology—it’s about land, blockade, and apartheid. Even Israeli historians like Ilan Pappé document how Zionism displaced Palestinians (The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, 2006). Hamas’s rise? A direct result of occupation, not "ancient hatred" (UN Report on Gaza, 2022).

5. Cynicism Enables Complicity

If people believed protests never worked, slavery, suffrage, and civil rights wouldn’t have ended. The U.S. could cut military aid to Israel (as it did to Turkey over Armenia in 1975). It could enforce UN resolutions. The obstacle isn’t "human nature"—it’s political will.
all your examples showed that they worked on the US government. Not a hostile foreign government.
What is America going to do to stop the Gaza conflict? You mentioned Reagan did sanctions against the south african regime.
Biden sanctioned israel too, Sanctions don't have the power people claim. And if we researched deep enough i bet there were other factors beyond Reagans sanctions that contribute to the fall of that regime.
All of your antidotes are referencing on the 20th and 21st century. speaks to dishonesty about this as a whole, as the violence in that region has been going on for a millennia. when you try to blame a current admin or individual for millennia long conflict you might get rid of them (as you did Biden) but you won't get rid of the conflict (as we are witnessing in real time)
 

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all your examples showed that they worked on the US government. Not a hostile foreign government.
What is America going to do to stop the Gaza conflict? You mentioned Reagan did sanctions against the south african regime.
Biden sanctioned israel too, Sanctions don't have the power people claim. And if we researched deep enough i bet there were other factors beyond Reagans sanctions that contribute to the fall of that regime.
All of your antidotes are referencing on the 20th and 21st century. speaks to dishonesty about this as a whole, as the violence in that region has been going on for a millennia. when you try to blame a current admin or individual for millennia long conflict you might get rid of them (as you did Biden) but you won't get rid of the conflict (as we are witnessing in real time)

They want to frustrate and starve them so bad they all become refugees is neighboring countries forever..driving them out is their 2nd final solution.
 
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