Was Jay calling Pusha's bluff about his past on Drug Dealers Anonymous? Lets Talk Pusha's Content.

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  1. Rembrandt

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    there's been a lot of talk recently about rappers maturing in both public persona and content wise. T.I. went from creating trap music to creating two CDs supporting blacklivesmatter and race relations. 2 Chainz' new album is much more personal about death and loss. 21 Savage transformed into a more socially aware rapper grateful for the opportunity, aware of the loss and pain in his past and put it into songwriting. even chief keef has become aware of what that whole time was and has made music about it, surprisingly. it's not a new trend, but it's surprising to see which rappers are doing it. with the grammys, that got me thinking about push and all the praise he still receives even though his content hasn't changed at all since the clipse. he's improved a lot, but all that means is he's found more inventive ways of rapping about selling drugs and as of late, it's been through high fashion/art references. go read some hell hath no fury lyrics and daytona lyrics. they're pretty much identical.

    though some people here don't believe it, it's not an uncommon belief that the majority of his fans now are white kids that found him through the kanye connection or a dislike of drake. white publications love him because of his ability to bridge a connection from cocaine to a obscure painting or designer. it's honestly very classy drug dealing rap.

    out of curiosity, i went through the lyrics before the grammys just to see again what was so special and saw that he called himself the youth's ghost and rae, so i also pulled up built for cuban linx and went through those lyrics to see. he has a song with ross, his closest competitor, so i pulled up rather you than me and went through some of those and yeah.. somebody's gonna have to explain to me why exactly he's so praised or even why daytona is getting the reviews it is. no, production doesn't count. he does make two attempts to conceptualize something other than drugs on santeria and what would meek do, but those songs actually kinda show why he doesn't do it more.

    read how he talks about santeria in an interview:
    here's the final verse about the death of his friend:
    Of all the things I've ever paid for
    Know that it's no price tag when I wage war
    It's no more to pray for, nikkas get preyed on
    Darken my doorstep, they told me the day's gone

    You listenin', De'Von?
    As I'm talkin' to your spirit, for God's sakes
    I'm dealin' with heartbreak

    Checkin' my ego, I'm livin' with lost faith
    I'm backin' this hit, nikka, you ever seen Shark Tank?
    I paid 'em in small bills, all of 'em small face
    I bet when we draw blood, you nikkas will draw a blank
    Dress you in all black, partnered with All Saints
    Our numbers is all facts, my shooters give all thanks
    And all praise, no jail bars can save
    Leave you like Malcolm where X marks your grave
    Hey, it's probably better this way
    It's cheaper when the chaplain prays

    Santería!

    in comparison, here's the final verse to Ross' Game Has No Sympathy:
     
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    'm not even saying daytona is a bad album, i'm just surprised at how much praise it's getting. it reviewed better than 4:44 for instance. and it's not to say push is a bad rapper, but during a time where so many rappers are opening up more, developing new styles, taking on new sounds, and just showing more overall growth in skill, it's weird seeing it be so critically lauded with no concerns about his growth as a rapper. even the praise would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that young artists like earl sweatshirt, vince stapes and noname are really putting their blood, sweat and tears into their projects. they're being open, raw, innovative and challenging but got overshadowed and essentially ignored in comparison to daytona.

    from earl switching from longer, depressing songs to lofi, experimental songs that come and and leave like manic thoughts; it's purposely abrasive and challenging sonically with earl opening up about his mental health, the challenges of losing his father and carrying that legacy, his disconnect from the (rap) world, relationships, his drug addiction over beats that may drown out a thing or two but everything is done with precision to grab your attention and force a repeat. it's an exercise of restraint with the songs being as concise as possible and ending before he says too much. earl packs so much in a minute or two, it's insane and powerful; knowing that he was planning on going to africa to meet his father for the first time in years with this project in hand as a showcase of him following his footsteps makes it even stronger.

    highlight (Azucur):
    [Verse]
    Pedal to the metal
    Lost footin', it was sugar in my gas tank
    My cushion was a bosom on bad days
    It's not a black woman I can't thank

    You called crying when I told you these the last days
    It's all mine, could've split the last plate

    nikkas didn't have faith, so I stopped tryin'
    Apologize, and we outta time
    Please get ya alibi straight, you ain't gotta lie
    Shook tradition, did it my way
    No sense in looking in the sky
    Trace elements meddle with minds
    Mind-state live, fissures and fires
    nikkas with live ammunitions in the stick on the highway
    I only get better with time
    That's what my mom say
    To dodge Satan, say to kill him this time, oy vey
    Well here I go, foot on the line
    What's mine, what good is it if it's not, you shook a bit
    Sookie, sookie nikkas wasn't shyt
    Face looking like I stumbled out of bed, hundred dollar jet
    I piss problems out, the bottle empty
    Mama said she used to see my father in me
    Said I was not offended

    Press, King, Navy, Med, MIKE on the bench
    Living life like a nikka put a price on my head
    Bless, this how we on it
    If you need it and I want it, better come prepared
    Going through it like prayers in the night sky
    You look like a chair when you folding up
    Hands on like a goalie with the puck, don't need any luck
    See the ghost of where I was, lonesome as I was


    noname, the young lyrical goddess from chicago, released her debut album room 25. a story about her finding herself in a move to LA and finally losing her virginity at 25 through a combo of neo-soul and the future of rap she's creating. not only was it the highest reviewed album of the year, she was the first woman ever to do it and it's apparent why almost instantly. she is a poet through and through with great control of her cute voice that she uses to create insanely unique and memorable metaphors while still tackling powerful subjects that most rappers don't touch and better than those that do. it's literally unlike anything else out right now and i don't see it being easily replicated. like poetry, not all is understood at once as themes are intertwined and placed opposite of each other, sometimes during the same verse. it's a weird, smart and beautiful combination of sex, art, politics, the newness of moving to la and the sadness beneath it all, etc.

    highlight (Don't Forget About Me):
    [Verse 1]
    Your family looking like a prayer song
    Your momma at the table cryin
    All her hair gone
    Feeling fishy Finding Chemo
    Smoking seaweed for calm
    These Disney movies too close

    You title email "Noname thank you for your sweet Telefone
    It saves lives"
    The secret is I'm actually broken
    I tried to raise a healing kneeling at the edge of the ocean
    Somebody, somebody said it saves lives
    Who holds my hand tonight? I think the glass half full
    Who pray me back to Inglewood, I shouldn't bleed this good Holy conundrum
    I'm the prayer, the hope, bank account wishin' bone for my loved ones
    Tell ‘em Noname still don’t got no money
    Tell 'em Noname almost passed out drinking
    Secret is, she really think it saves lives
    Somebody hit D'Angelo, I think I need him on this one
    Brothers and sisters, mommas, cousins, uncles, everyone
    Missing somebody
    Dancing daylight

    [Hook]
    I know everyone goes some day
    I know my body's fragile, know it's made from clay
    But if I have to go, I pray my soul is still eternal
    And my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my granny don't forget about me
    I know everyone goes some day
    I know my body's fragile, know it's made from clay
    But if I have to go, I pray my soul is still eternal
    And my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my daddy don't forget about me


    [Verse 2]
    Let's get down to the nitty gritty, changed my city
    Titties 13k, the pretty costs these days
    My doctor really love me, how I'm only half awake
    I just came from the funeral, my ugly passed away
    Welcome to Beverly Hills

    Welcome to Vicodin, I took the pills
    I think they save lives
    I just hope that they right
    All I am is everything and nothing at all
    All I am is shoulder for your heart to lean on
    All I am is love, all I am is love

    [Hook]
    I know everyone goes some day
    I know my body's fragile, know it's made from clay
    But if I have to go, I pray my soul is still eternal
    And my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my granny don't forget about me
    I know everyone goes some day
    I know my body's fragile, know it's made from clay
    But if I have to go, I pray my soul is still eternal
    And my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my momma don't forget about me
    I pray my granny don't forget about me


    vince staples dropped FM! a collection of songs perfectly set up as a radio takeover as he celebrates his home in the witty, self-aware and depressing way only he can do. vince has never pulled punches or shied away from the reality of his surroundings. what he does do is approach them in creative ways that make horrific actions sound really nice, which also works as him highlighting the way situations can change like that. with each new album, vince's lyricism has gotten better and better. he so easily blends death into situations like it's nothing at all, just like the city he's from. the songs are short, he executed the idea perfectly, offering a snapshot of life in long beach through "the radio". it's hard finding another artist like vince who is so open and honest about shyt, like him saying he joined a gang because he wanted to kill somebody like it was a normal thing, and follows it up by showing those same traits through his music. opening up the album with big boi talking about it feeling like summer and it being the time to chill and relax is immediately brought back to reality with vince rapping "summertime in the lb wild. we gon' party to the 'til the sun or the guns come out." lines about friends putting their all into the gang only to get a plot and a bottle from the store are followed up with vince proudly repping like it's a part of life. the lyrical skill is apparent throughout as vince jumps from situation to situation and somehow makes songs about murder sound so catchy. and "My black is beautiful, but i'll still shoot at you, dog" was line of the year lowkey and a good example of how vince's wit and self-awareness combines effectively.

    highlight (FUN!)


    [Verse 1: Vince Staples]
    One time, circling the block (The block)
    Lil buddy got murdered on a flock
    Two times, you know how we rock (You know how we rock)
    You know who we knocked on, you know who we socked
    You know how we comin', come from nothin', I got
    Christian Dior, I'm Crippin' Björk
    Made an uh-oh letting Vince in the door
    Gave a little money to me, now I want more
    Don't be lookin' funny when we come up in the store
    My black is beautiful but I'll still shoot at you, dawg
    2Pac, death tells all

    Watch out for the nikkas in the Lakewood mall
    Get you touched, Nobu brunch
    No big chains, no blue Chucks
    Just big things, cuz gon' bust
    'Cause short bus, but we ain't on one

    [Chorus: Vince Staples]
    We just wanna have fun
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    Fun, we don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    And we don't give a fukk 'bout nothin'
    We just wanna have fun
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    Fun, we don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    And we don't give a fukk about nothin'
    We just wanna have fun


    [Verse 2: Vince Staples & E-40]
    I'm so Norfy, my locs go viral for me
    Ride slow, hop out, get hyphy
    Think I know why he no like me
    He broke, we know, citch
    He told, he on print
    Black and white like old flicks
    We blam, he dance like Otis, I'm owed this
    Give me all the money in my hand
    Type of money pop a rubber band
    Miss with the glitz and the glam
    Fried catfish at The Ritz in Japan
    Yeah, keak'n baby, tell me when to go (Tell me when to go)
    Tweakin', I'ma leave him on the floor (Leave him on the floor)
    Ricky in the alley, adiós
    But we don't want the smoke

    [Chorus: Vince Staples]
    We just wanna have fun
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    Fun, we don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    And we don't give a fukk 'bout nothin'
    We just wanna have fun
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    We don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    Fun, we don't wanna fukk up nothin'
    And we don't give a fukk about nothin'
    We just wanna have fun

    [Verse 3: E-40]
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    We don't need no circus in this bytch
    We just wanna have fun, we just
    (Wanna have fun, what's happenin'?)
    We don't need no circus in this bytch
    We just wanna have fun, we just
    (Wanna have fun, what's happenin'?)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    Mack a bytch down, mack a bytch down (Mack a bytch)
    We don't need no circus in this bytch
    We just wanna have fun, we just
    (Wanna have fun, what's happenin'?)
    We don't need no circus in this bytch
    We just wanna have fun, we just
    (Wanna have fun, what's happenin'?)

    [Outro: E-40]
    FN57, get down on a nikka
    FN57, send 'em Hell, not Heaven


    personally, these three were way more deserving of that praise and it's a shame these great albums weren't even recognized for such.


    how do ya'll feel about pusha's content, daytona overall and its reception? can one trick make an act forever as long as the trick stays really good? if anybody actually considers daytona album of 2018, i would love to hear actual reasons why and no, the drake beef can not count at all; tell me what i'm missing or not appreciating
     
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    :comeon:im pretty sure pusha has "Pushed" More Weight in one month than what :huhldup: did in his entire time of "drug dealing"
     
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    Both Jay n Push grossly exaggerated their involvement in the dope game. Most rappers do....dudes be rappin about ppl around them not themselves. If these cats really was as deep as they say and never caught a charge, thats super suspect.

    I fw Push but he is def a one tric pony.....he is admittedly great at that tric tho but lot of his rhymes are :duck:

    He rarely steps out of his zone...he like a 3pt specialist in that way....one of the reasons why i cant rank him that highly
     
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    i legitimately don't care if he did or not. i just found it odd that he was inspired by tomi lahren saying jay sold drugs for 14 years, but didn't really do anything with the concept.

    i'm curious to see how people feel about him maintaining the same concepts for years and not developing other skills to help further it.

    supposedly his next album may be more personal. if you're into push for perfectly pinning down his style, would you be upset if he pares it down and started from the beginning.

    he's got it down to a T and yeah, i couldn't for the same reason, even though I would put him up there in terms of drug raps just off his approach to them, it's on another level like ross.

    i noticed complex called him lyricist of the year and he's been getting some best rapper awards, so i was curious about how common of a thought that was and how people would rank a potential lyricist of the year.
     
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    :mjgrin:breh has time today -he has done his homework and he about to expose king push :popcorn::popcorn:
     
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    Its nikkaz who been selling dope they whole lives and never been caught, they can't arrest everybody
    I mean Biggs just got arrested for running a huge marijuana operation some years ago well after rocafella success, you think he just started doing that his age lmao, he been doing it his whole life and it took that long for him to get caught

    also jay-z came up in 80's when it was easy to get in the dope game and it was profitable enough where a smart person would take the risk, also Jay got out the game, if he was still in the game at 40 he probably would've been caught

    that's why you can't take people seriously who rap about the drug game now, because it's nowhere near the same as was back then
     
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    How has Jay grossly exaggerated when his enemy is our writing a book confirming shyt? Some of BKs biggest drug dealers vouched? Jay talked about having a lex, g-packs, a Brooklyn apartment, a chain and few hundred racks. When his right man got knocked just 2 years after Jay quit the game for running the exact same ring Jay talked about. :dahell: That’s without mentioning connections to people like Calvin Bacote or he his big homie Danny Diamonds who were moving millions per month. That 92 keys thing is the only thing that might be suspicious, but even that was less than a months work for Danny Diamonds and allegedly even Klein, specially if it was crack and not pure.

    This was the epidemic, Jay moved with a set of real dudes, a lot of people made a lot of money. It’s nothing special. Dude dropped his first album at 27 and rocked big chains for 10 years before that and even said no to rap when he already was cool with rappers.

    Jay and Push are not the same type of rappers. Push talks about Colombians, mad keys and on, when he’s been on the majors and working with pop stars since he was a teenager.
     
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    I know Jay put in some work but that lost 99 brikks shyt:stopitslime:

    I didnt say Jay had no involvement but he wasnt no kingpin.

    Im not pikking on Jay....all rappers exaggerate the shyt out of their street days
     
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    Both are exaggerated, Pusha was never in the streets like that. Affiliated with real street cats, who moved major weight yes like most rappers.

    Geezy the clipse's manager was really official and didn't see the long term legal paper in the music game. VA was pretty hot when he got knocked back in 09.
     
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    So you gotta get caught to be a successful drug dealer? :laugh:

    And from what I understand, one of the reasons why Jay had static with Klien is because it's implied that he took a charge that could/should have been pinned on Jay so he could do his rap thing and pay him back in the future, shyt isn't uncommon. Similar situation with Lupe.


    It sounds far fetched to nikkas who don't really know or deal with drug dealers like that.

    Jay was a mule, he wasn't a "kingpin" but it's about the degree of risk, transporting drugs across state lines in high volume will get you kingpin prison time. And hiding 100 bricks of coke in a car is doable.

    You lose said car for whatever reason, you lose said bricks, and thus would have to fall back.

    :yeshrug:

    Him having that much coke at a time doesn't sound far out, him not getting his head blown off for it does.
     
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    @Rembrandt

    You can’t strip away the atmosphere the album was released in

    Kanye was back in a frenzy. In the lab producing music. He announced he would drop 5 albums 7 songs each all Kanye beats with no other interference

    Pusha album was first and the beats were decent and the music was ok. This led to acclaim because it felt like Kanye was back

    In the end Kanye was not back and this was just another generic coke rap Pusha album

    But before everyone was able to reflect people thought the Daytona was the start of great things happening and people hate admit their wrong so they act like the other 4 albums didn’t exist and Pusha was the reason this project was good
     
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    Lamest thread ever
     
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