Was John F. Kennedy The Flat-Out Absolute Worst U.S. President Of The 20th Century?

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As I studied the Vietnam war over the last 14 months, I began to think that John F. Kennedy probably was the worst American president of the previous century.

In retrospect, he spent his 35 months in the White House stumbling from crisis to fiasco. He came into office and okayed the Bay of Pigs invasion. Then he went to a Vienna summit conference and got his clock cleaned by Khrushchev. That led to, among other things, the Cuban missile crisis and a whiff of nuclear apocalypse.

Looming over it all is the American descent into Vietnam. The assassination of Vietnam’s President Diem on Kennedy’s watch may have been one of the two biggest mistakes of the war there. (The other was the decision to wage a war of attrition on the unexamined assumption that Hanoi would buckle under the pain.) I don’t buy the theory promulgated by Robert McNamara and others that Kennedy would have kept U.S. troops out. Sure, Kennedy wanted out of Vietnam — just like Lyndon Johnson wanted out a few years later: We’ll scale down our presence after victory is secure. And much more than Johnson, Kennedy was influenced by General Maxwell Taylor, who I suspect had been looking for a "small war" mission for the Army for several years. Indochina looked like a peachy place for that — warmer than Korea, and farther from Russia.

(As a side note, there’s another coup that JFK supported earlier in 1963: the Baathist one in Iraq that chucked out a pro-Soviet general. Events in subsequent decades obviously are not Kennedy’s fault, but it still is interesting to look at the documents. Here’s a State Department sitrep from, of all dates, Nov. 21, 1963: "Initial appraisal cabinet named November 20 is that it contains some moderate Baathis. Of twenty-one ministers, seven are holdovers from previous cabinet, thirteen are civilians, four are from moderate Shabib-Jawad faction of Baath (Defense — Tikriti; Communications — Abd al-Latif; Education — Jawari; Health — Mustafa) and a number of technician-type civil servants." Did you notice the name of that defense minister? I think this might have been Saddam Hussein’s uncle.)

Anyway, I think his track record kind of makes even old Herbert Hoover look good.

Was John F. Kennedy the flat-out absolute worst U.S. president of the 20th century?
 

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Woodrow Wilson?
  • Accelerated the segregation of blacks out of civil service jobs.
  • Started the Federal Reserve system.
  • Invaded Mexico twice, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama and Nicaragua.
  • Waiting until 1917 to enter WWI

Wilson on all-black army units being led by white officers and being kept from battle in WWI - "segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen."
 

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Nope he was one the greatest

There's reason to believe his Assassination was due to him supporting civil rights
 

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The worst president is Andrew Jackson

Sent Indians on the trail of tears

Basically kicked em off their land because there was gold on it

Also bush and Nixon are up there. Did you know all those presidents in early American history were rich Virginia slave owners ?

It's easy for you to cherry pick thru the Internet and find an article claiming for JFK to be the worst to support your agenda. Rational people don't think like this

But hey I'm sure you know each and every president's history and policies down from George Washington up to Obama. Yeah uh huh
 
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JFK got the Tupac treatment when he was shot.
Everyone loved him suddenly.
And @OP are we forgetting about Ronald Reagan?
 

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Woodrow Wilson?
  • Accelerated the segregation of blacks out of civil service jobs.
  • Started the Federal Reserve system.
  • Invaded Mexico twice, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama and Nicaragua.
  • Waiting until 1917 to enter WWI

Wilson on all-black army units being led by white officers and being kept from battle in WWI - "segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen."

Why do Americans dislike their central bank so much? The U.S. has suffered less financial crises since the creation of their central bank. How does it expect to run the global economy without a central bank???
:mindblown:
 

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all 23 million miles of useful land
hands down
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Woodrow Wilson?
  • Accelerated the segregation of blacks out of civil service jobs.
  • Started the Federal Reserve system.
  • Invaded Mexico twice, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama and Nicaragua.
  • Waiting until 1917 to enter WWI

Wilson on all-black army units being led by white officers and being kept from battle in WWI - "segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen."

What's your issue with the fed reserve, especially during the early 20th century? Unless you're tiring this to the credit system that led to the great recession, I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Also what was wrong with waiting to get into WW1? FDR did the same thing. Not to mention, we were still sending money and ammunitions to England and France. Are you making the argument that waiting put civilian lives at risk?
 

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The worst president is Andrew Jackson

Sent Indians on the trail of tears

Basically kicked em off their land because there was gold on it

Also bush and Nixon are up there. Did you know all those presidents in early American history were rich Virginia slave owners ?

It's easy for you to cherry pick thru the Internet and find an article claiming for JFK to be the worst to support your agenda. Rational people don't think like this

But hey I'm sure you know each and every president's history and policies down from George Washington up to Obama. Yeah uh huh
I think most would definitely put Jackson up there, but this is for the 20th century only.
 
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