Was this '95 Source Awards really a pivotal moment in hiphop?

[intruder]

Me and some friends were at a cabin this weekend and we ended up in the hot tubs playing various tunes from all hip-hop sub-genres and this topic came up. Anyway we had a good mix of mostly people from GA (6) among us but quite a few from the North-East (4)ssharing their opinions about the event. I actually had to google it to figure out what they were talking about.

I would have been in H.S. around that time and kinda recall seeing this award show but the OutKast part either didn't stand out to me or i didnt see it at all. Maybe because at the time, Snoop being booed was the bigger headline and I figured it was due to the so called East vs West beef. I hadn't yet deciphered all the regional corners rappers were from. In addition, New Yorkers at the time had always been super homers (only support their own rap artists) and were rather excessively snobbish when it comes to hip-hop. Like I always say black people from New York are like the white people of black people if that makes sense. I guess I'm just used to them being that way and just brushed it off. Didn't occur to me that there was a lot of resentment from the Southern counterparts that would spark the South's rap culture emergence.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Yes, there's so much that might have ended different because of that shyt

Death Row vs. Bad Boy

Nas going pop because he didn't win lyricist of the year over Biggie

End of boom-bap because of the emphasis of Biggie's more commercial shyt.

The South left with a chip on their shoulder because they kept getting booed or ignored.

 

[richaveli83]

 

[get these nets]

"I hate closeminded folk, it's like we got a demo tape and ain't nobody trying to hear it. Well the South got something to say, and that's all I got to say"
Andre
Respected him ever since then.....laughed at bigboi's scaredy cat ass ever since then too

Crowd wanted Smiff & Wessun to win.......and tried to boo Kast out the gym.



Hostile pro NY crowd the entire night.......even Brat who had a song that got major airplay in NYC area bombed when she performed

 

[intruder]

"I hate closeminded folk, it's like we got a demo tape and ain't nobody trying to hear it. Well the South got something to say, and that's all I got to say"
Andre
Respected him ever since then.....laughed at bigboi's scaredy cat ass ever since then too

Crowd wanted Smiff & Wessun to win.......and tried to boo Kast out the gym.

I heard this on one of their albums and didnt know where it was from until I had that conversation last weekend. I was still new to the country and hadnt quite understood the hiphop scene yet. But now it makes perfect since after seeing the video right before i posted this.
So they won over Smiff-n-Wessun?
I could see why the super pro-NY clowns would be upset but not to the point of booing because Outkast wasnt no slouch either. They were one of the first rap groups i started following even tho i was mostly into east-coast rap myself. Like i always say KRS-One made me a rap fan and then Pac , The Roots, De La Soul and Wu-Tang. I respected Bigggie but was never really a big fan like that.

As much as i like Outkast i was also a fan of Smiff-N-Wessun/Cocoa Brovaz. I'd say i became a fan after hearing the soundbwoy burreil remix (with the envogue beat)

 

[semicko82]

Yep game changing moments during the show, that had ripple effects till this day.

 

[get these nets]

I heard this on one of their albums and didnt know where it was from until I had that conversation last weekend. I was still new to the country and hadnt quite understood the hiphop scene yet. But now it makes perfect since after seeing the video right before i posted this.
So they won over Smiff-n-Wessun?
I could see why the super pro-NY clowns would be upset but not to the point of booing because Outkast wasnt no slouch either. They were one of the first rap groups i started following even tho i was mostly into east-coast rap myself. Like i always say KRS-One made me a rap fan and then Pac , The Roots, De La Soul and Wu-Tang. I respected Bigggie but was never really a big fan like that.

As much as i like Outkast i was also a fan of Smiff-N-Wessun/Cocoa Brovaz. I'd say i became a fan after hearing the soundbwoy burreil remix (with the envogue beat)

Kast put that on their album as a victory lap.
Public Enemy did that same thing years earlier.......(radio dj)Mr.Magic played one of their songs from first album on the radio.....halfway through, he turned it off and said" no more music from the suckers"
On P.E.s second album, they sampled him saying that..
trolling your doubters after you break through and EVERYBODY is feeling your music =winning twice

Smiff Wessuns first album was better than Outkast's though.........and I F with Outkast heavy



Dre went into monster mode after the first album and never looked back

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Truly a landmark affair

 

[Ol’Otis]

The east coast booed y’all

 

[Flywin Lannister]

Yes.

Outkast getting boo'd put a fire under the ass of every rapper, independent label CEO, Producer, DJ and dope boy who invested brown bags of money into these artists.

Had those NY crowds just simply clapped, they'd potentially still run rap or at least co-run rap instead of being a laughing stock. But of course.. they had to pump their chest and be the "NY in the house!!!" dudes.. Last we checked a Mexican snitch ran NYC.. and the South runs Hip-Hop. This, Master P's hustle, Outkast's musicality, Goodie Mob's flavor and later TI's and Jeezy's hustle and then after that Wayne's sick run.. and it was OVER for NYC.

 

[hayesc0]

Yes of course lol everyone knows this.

 

[CoryMack]

Still really regional back then. If you didn’t grow up during that era you couldn’t really know. At that time OutKast wasn’t the major group they became. NY wasn’t really fukkin with them just like nobody outside of the east was fukkin with smif n wessun. Not even so much on some hostile shyt but nikka listened to shyt from their region. I’d bet outside of whatever videos kast had on tv at the time which could only have been players ball and southernplayalistc most of NY didn’t really know all that much about em.

It wasn’t pivotal at the time. I saw it live. If that was the same year Suge dominated the convo. Everything took a backseat to that.

 

[old boy]

Like I always say black people from New York are like the white people of black people if that makes sense. I guess I'm just used to them being that way and just brushed it off. Didn't occur to me that there was a lot of resentment from the Southern counterparts that would spark the South's rap culture emergence.

hard for me to disagree with this on some level & funny my homie from memphis made the same EXACT analogy about us new yorkers way back in the late 90's. that like white folks we think only our way is right and we look down on southern brothers (midwest & west coast too) as being less than we are. we think we're intrinsically more intelligent and look down on their speech & accents especially. i mean look at the comments rza made about the south back in 2010, it was disgusting man

 

[intruder]

Kast put that on their album as a victory lap.
Public Enemy did that same thing years earlier.......(radio dj)Mr.Magic played one of their songs from first album on the radio.....halfway through, he turned it off and said" no more music from the suckers"
On P.E.s second album, they sampled him saying that..
trolling your doubters after you break through and EVERYBODY is feeling your music =winning twice

Smiff Wessuns first album was better than Outkast's though.........and I F with Outkast heavy



Dre went into monster mode after the first album and never looked back

I got both albums when they came out and i disagree but that's just me. Just saying I enjoyed the OutKast album more than I did Smiff's.

Of the BCC family I was mostly into Smiff and Heltah Skeltah. Overall, I loved Smiff-N-Wessun, OGC and Heltah Skeltah and always felt that they don't get their due props outside of NY. But as weird as it may seem I was never a big fan of Buckshot himself.

 

[intruder]

hard for me to disagree with this on some level & funny my homie from memphis made the same EXACT analogy about us new yorkers way back in the late 90's. that like white folks we think only our way is right and we look down on southern brothers (midwest & west coast too) as being less than we are. we think we're intrinsically more intelligent and look down on their speech & accents especially. i mean look at the comments rza made about the south back in 2010, it was disgusting man

Bingo!