Was this the lowest point of New York hiphop?

[richaveli83]

Probably when New York rappers tried to sound like other regions.

 

[Plankton]

Scott Storch has been living in Miami for damn near 20 years. So when I said Joe’s main producers I meant Scott, Cool & Dre (Miami), and Alchemist (L.A.), so my point stands.

Rap-A-Lot and So So Def never was in the ”who’s the hottest producer” argument.

LOL @ Scott Storch living in Miami all after the fact making him Miami.



And I said Jermaine Dupri "and" Atlanta/Miami Bass. Whoomp There It Is, Daisy Dukes, I wanna Rock, My Boo, Come On Ride The Train, ect. These were the sounds of the 90's too. You mentioned "sounds" as well as producers. LOL @ Jermaine Dupri never being in the hottest producer argument when Always Be My Baby was one of Mariahs biggest hits. Obviously he was hot to the industry. And all those hits on Ushers 'My Way' were Jermain and that album sold 7 million. You funny.

Yes, I covered all of them in the “paying out the ass for samples” group. And even then, you’re only making my point.
None of those producers were from NY. On top of that - you say they were making NYC/East Coast sounding beats, but were they?
They absolutely were NOT making Boom Bap records. Boom Bap was dead. Hard Snare was dead. The SP12 was dead.
BPMs went to 95 and above. That’s not the NYC beats we were raised on; the sound changed.

LOL @ Boom Bap being the only sound that repped NYC in the 90's. What they are currently calling the lofi sound that's attributed to J Dilla was started by Pete Rock and Tribe in the early 90's. Boom Bap wasn't the only NYC sound. And The Hitmen (Bad Boy) and Trackmasters made those radio friendly/Hot 97 bops. Boom Bap was not the only sound to come out of 90's NYC.

And Jay Z brought that soul sample stamp to the forefront of the 2000's with Blueprint. The same soul sample format that Rza was doing in the 90's. And that soul sample sound was used all in the 2000's by all the regions (Westcoast, Game "Dreams, South Jay Electronica "Exhibit C" ). If it wasn't soul samples it was the chipmunk sped up sample which was started when Marly Marl did "Around The Way Girl" for LL.

 

[Taadow]

And I said Jermaine Dupri "and" Atlanta/Miami Bass. Whoomp There It Is, Daisy Dukes, I wanna Rock, My Boo, Come On Ride The Train, ect. These were the sounds of the 90's too. You mentioned "sounds" as well as producers. LOL @ Jermaine Dupri never being in the hottest producer argument when Always Be My Baby was one of Mariahs biggest hits. Obviously he was hot to the industry. And all those hits on Ushers 'My Way' were Jermain and that album sold 7 million. You funny.

You talmbat flashes in the pan and R&B records. We not talking about that in this thread. We talking about was NY/East Coast rappers was doing.

If I put a gun to anybody’s head in NYC in 1995 and told them “tell me who sings ‘Dazzey Dukes’ or you die” they would be dead muthafuccas.
The attitude was they do not fucc with all that, those were Toy records you might play at the skate rink, but you wasn’t bumping in da Jeep.

LOL @ Boom Bap being the only sound that repped NYC in the 90's. What they are currently calling the lofi sound that's attributed to J Dilla was started by Pete Rock and Tribe in the early 90's. Boom Bap wasn't the only NYC sound. And The Hitmen (Bad Boy) and Trackmasters made those radio friendly/Hot 97 bops. Boom Bap was not the only sound to come out of 90's NYC.

And Jay Z brought that soul sample stamp to the forefront of the 2000's with Blueprint. The same soul sample format that Rza was doing in the 90's. And that soul sample sound was used all in the 2000's by all the regions (Westcoast, Game "Dreams, South Jay Electronica "Exhibit C" ). If it wasn't soul samples it was the chipmunk sped up sample which was started when Marly Marl did "Around The Way Girl" for LL.

I didn’t say Boom Bap was the “only” sound that repped NYC (Rap) in the 90s…but we for damn sure know it was the most dominant.
I mentioned Hard Snare, which is basically Lo-Fi. That chit died. Busta Rhymes was the main one keeping that alive - and he ditched in favor of the Sample-Free wave.

To my main point - the aforementioned Pete Rock was left to making beat tapes in the forest.
And you can’t name a Marley Marl beat that was made in the last 25 years. (I can name two - UGK “Next Up”, and Sauce Money “What’s That”)
Then niccas was left for dead after 2005.

 

[987654321]

Why do New Yorkers hate Mims so much?

I don’t think he ever gave a plausible answer as to why he was “hot” at the time

 

[Vic Damone. Jr]

The Coli LOVED Tekashi at the time

Still can find receipts too

 

[Vic Damone. Jr]

 

[Plankton]

You talmbat flashes in the pan and R&B records. We not talking about that in this thread. We talking about was NY/East Coast rappers was doing.

If I put a gun to anybody’s head in NYC in 1995 and told them “tell me who sings ‘Dazzey Dukes’ or you die” they would be dead muthafuccas.
The attitude was they do not fucc with all that, those were Toy records you might play at the skate rink, but you wasn’t bumping in da Jeep.

You forgot what you originally said which I was responding to. You said: You could argue hip-hop has always been about “who’s the hottest producer/sound”, and this was the first time it wasn’t NY producers. This statement is incorrect. Those 'flashes in the pan' songs were in the 90's not the 2000's so the 2000's wasn't the first time the hottest sound wasn't NY producers. And it has nothing to do with 'who sings Dazzy Dukes' its about someone in 95 NYC just knowing the song which they did because the song was popular.

And Jermaine Dupri produced songs for Biggie, Jay Z, Da Brat, MC Lyte, Lil Kim, Mase. Camron & Master P in the 90's. LOL @ you bringing up Neptunes and Timbaland earlier when they were doing R&B too but for Jemaine you just focus on the R&B

I didn’t say Boom Bap was the “only” sound that repped NYC (Rap) in the 90s…but we for damn sure know it was the most dominant.
I mentioned Hard Snare, which is basically Lo-Fi. That chit died. Busta Rhymes was the main one keeping that alive - and he ditched in favor of the Sample-Free wave.

To my main point - the aforementioned Pete Rock was left to making beat tapes in the forest.
And you can’t name a Marley Marl beat that was made in the last 25 years. (I can name two - UGK “Next Up”, and Sauce Money “What’s That”)
Then niccas was left for dead after 2005.

I'm not talking about that hard snare lo fi. That's not what this new generation refers to as 'lo fi' which I specified is attributed to J Dilla. I know what you are referring to but that's not what I was referring to, I literally said "what they are currently calling lo fi" not the old school version which was that Wu Tang-36 Chambers/Black Moon - Enta Da Stage recording format. The new version of lo fi I'm referring to is rooted in a song like "Jazz" by Tribe Called Quest or "The Blast" by Talib Kweli. A beat with that "chill" vibe, that's why another term for it is called "chillhop." Wikipedia attributes it to Dilla, Madlib and MF Doom but it was Pete Rock and Tribe that originated that sound. Read it for yourself:

Lofi hip-hop - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The fact that 'lo fi' has it's own subgenre that is current confirms that the 90's NYC sound still had a life after the 2000's. So the sound wasn't dead like you keep stating.

 

[3rdWorld]

Tekashi

 

[TEH]

Tekashi becoming a star…just disgraceful for hip hop as a whole.

I’d be lying if I tell you his stuff was fire at the time it dropped