WELL DAMN i didn't know JUSTIN COMBS PUBLISHING was still eating off of JADAKISS SOLO ALBUMS

[bigbadbossup2012]

aint this some shyt


My thread got hijacked

lmao,that wasnt the plan. But when nikkas challenge me with bullshyt,i cant let it ride

 

[Wacky D]

@bigbadbossup2012

the twinz album got caught up in a label shuffle.

thats why they didnt sell much cuz the promotion was chitty. i was a twinz fanatic and wasnt fully aware of the album's release.

 

[Wacky D]

what makes you think I didn't know what the performances " were hitting for " ?[/B] The type of people I vaguely remembered being on there are the type of people that actually were on there. Also why are you pretending that ALL THAT is the nucleus of my stance on the lox? It's clearly not.

are you really doing this in the bolded?

They WERE designed to be mainstream,which i've proven. See the above post. They were in the midst of that same circle at the same time. were they not?
What type of shyt did mase do,that the lox didnt do before their roll out?
Both on big songs with puff,both around mariah carey,both on big's album,BOTH IN SHINY SUITS,both featuring on r&b videos. They even did their on biggie tribute tryna get that I'LL BE MISSING YOU look,lol.

What else would they have to do to be "designed for mainstream"?
Like i said,there are rappers out there that really didnt get the slots the lox were given,THOSE ARTISTS WERENT DESIGNED TO BE MAINSTREAM. THE LOX CLEARLY WERE.

FOR THE LAST TIME......I NEVER SAID THEY WERENT DESIGNED FOR THE MAINSTREAM. ESPECIALLY ON BAD BOY.

they just werent designed to be ultra-mainstream like the artists that youre steady comparing the too.

what type of chit did mase do that the lox didnt before their rollout? IS THIS A SERIOUS QUESTION??

I ONLY SEEK THE TRUTH,that's why you can never go against me in debates like this.

The differences in the performance lists is laughable and shows how once again YOU ARE LOST AND ACTING ON EMOTION
ANyone with a cpu etc can see the real truth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All_That_musical_guests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_In_Living_Color_episodes#Live_performances
In living color vastly favored hiphop with a short list of R&B performances
While ALL THAT vastly favored R&B with a few hiphop guys per season.

Facts: i never said the lox were supposed to sell 7 million. I never said ALL THAT could help them or anyone sell 7 million.
I gave a list of reasons as to why i felt the lox were pathetic for doing the numbers they did and i stand by that.
For the record,sales arent everything. I dont believe sales alone determine how good an artists is.
It's the context as to how bad the lox did that make them so pathetic.
They were given chances rappers dream about and they did bad,simple as that.
They're on the front of and featured on this 7mil sel

oh naw. i wasnt referring to the perforances with that comparison. i was referring to the shows. "all that" was a kid's version of "in living color".

i wasnt comparing the performances there. but i understand why you thought thats what i meant. my bad for not making that clear.

as for the rest of this. your reasons arent truth. theyre misconceptions. you couldnt even put their singles in the proper context. AGAIN, you lack perspective.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@bigbadbossup2012

the twinz album got caught up in a label shuffle.

thats why they didnt sell much cuz the promotion was chitty. i was a twinz fanatic and wasnt fully aware of the album's release.

Them nikkas were talentless benefactors of Warren g production. They deserve to flop

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

are you really doing this in the bolded?





FOR THE LAST TIME......I NEVER SAID THEY WERENT DESIGNED FOR THE MAINSTREAM. ESPECIALLY ON BAD BOY.

they just werent designed to be ultra-mainstream like the artists that youre steady comparing the too.

what type of chit did mase do that the lox didnt before their rollout? IS THIS A SERIOUS QUESTION??







oh naw. i wasnt referring to the perforances with that comparison. i was referring to the shows. "all that" was a kid's version of "in living color".

i wasnt comparing the performances there. but i understand why you thought thats what i meant. my bad for not making that clear.

as for the rest of this. your reasons arent truth. theyre misconceptions. you couldnt even put their singles in the proper context. AGAIN, you lack perspective.

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I lack nothing I'm not giving them that pass you're trying to give them. That mase question is real. How are their singles out of context? They had the same access TO SUPER, MAINSTREAM SUCCESS as mase had. They failed cause they weren't ill enough to make it happen. You wanna blame fate. Naw them nikkas tried their shot and failed. Mase came from CHILDREN OF THE CORN and he made it happen with the same resources the lox had. They just did weak shyt and also stupid shyt like refusing to write MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS. Dumb ass ninja turtle.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I'm perplexed by your question about ALL THAT. what makes you think I didn't know what it was. Yes I knew ( back then) that it was a kiddie sketch comedy show.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

In addition to my last couple of posts,if you're not referring to the type of performance set list the shows had then why are we even talking about the shows still. The only relevance these shows have in this conversation is THE TYPE OF ARTISTS THEY WERE PRESENTING TO THE PUBLIC! On ALL THAT they showcased r&b with a select group of rappers. Typically crossover rappers. In living color was hip hop like a mother fukker. Like I said they were given a shot at SUPER MAINSTREAM SUCCESS and flopped. Had a great shot at more super urban mainstream success under Dmx and did even worse. They lack talent. It's their lack of ability that kept them from going multi platinum.

 

[Wacky D]

lol @ the lox being just about bars. if that was the case, then they wouldnt have stood out and been nearly as popular as they are.

the lox are responible for changing the way niccas rap. all the way up to biggie & mase.

anyway, the basis of our disagreement seems to stem from the fact that @bigbadbossup2012 thinks that record labels are on some "all for one/one for all" type tip. the lox' bad boy ceiling was double platinum, and they sold 1.5

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I lack nothing I'm not giving them that pass you're trying to give them. That mase question is real. How are their singles out of context? They had the same access TO SUPER, MAINSTREAM SUCCESS as mase had. They failed cause they weren't ill enough to make it happen. You wanna blame fate. Naw them nikkas tried their shot and failed. Mase came from CHILDREN OF THE CORN and he made it happen with the same resources the lox had. They just did weak shyt and also stupid shyt like refusing to write MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS. Dumb ass ninja turtle.

you cant be serious with this. and we went over that numerous time already. im tired of talking in circles. mase was MAINSTREAM. the lox wasnt getting anywhere near the same looks as mase.

and lets not act like murder mase from children of the corn is anywhere near the same mase that blew up on bad boy. BE SMART SON.

 

[DontgetTired777]

how the fukk are these nikkas still going back and forth

 

[Mowgli]

8. At this point, push for their second single. Offer them considerably less promotion to see if they’re viable on their own. Don’t offer any guidance on what the second single should be, as long as it’s not substantive or uplifting.

9. As their music career starts to flounder, they will get desperate. There will be voices of family and friends juxtaposed against the life they now live and a desperation to preserve their new lifestyle by any means. If music doesn’t provide sustainable income, they will turn to their former life. As a known entertainer and target of police, they won’t be able to successfully transition back into the streets. They will end up entangled in a perilous legal situation.



This is why Jadakiss home was busted for Heroine.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

lol @ the lox being just about bars. if that was the case, then they wouldnt have stood out and been nearly as popular as they are.

the lox are responible for changing the way niccas rap. all the way up to biggie & mase.

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They stood out cause they were marketed next to huge artists whom were in they're prime. They didnt go ANYTHING special themselves.
So let me get this right. They were so dope they changed how nikkas rap including mase and biggie., Were cosigned by super stars like Mase biggie and puffy. On all 3 albums. In videos etc. But that had little to do with the lil success they did have. They really sold the lil they sold cause they were so ill and different,while all the factors i named were just minor factors? Lmao gtfoh. that's like saying banks went double based off his punch lines and NOT the 50 affiliation.

 

[Wacky D]

They stood out cause they were marketed next to huge artists whom were in they're prime. They didnt go ANYTHING special themselves.

they stood out before they even got their deal with bad boy. you dont know what ur talking about.

banks wouldve been gold at best if he wasnt on g-unit, but he played a VITAL role in the crew. alot of people that didnt care for 50 & them liked that, used to cop the mixtapes cuz of banks.

sidenote: i didnt know banks sold that much. i figured he sold 1.5 tops.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

anyway, the basis of our disagreement seems to stem from the fact that @bigbadbossup2012 thinks that record labels are on some "all for one/one for all" type tip. the lox' bad boy ceiling was double platinum, and they sold 1.5




.

The beauty of my debate style is that i'm precise. You dont have to put words in my mouth. I never said record labels are on some "all for one/one for all" type tip,i gave precise and multiple reasons why they should have done better. Puff went all out for them losers to win. You're pretending like they were JUST on the label,when in fact:
Biggie was shouting them out on songs they werent even on.
Biggie had them on the album 11mil
Jada had a chance to be on Mo money Mo problems but fukked it up
Puffy had them on the front and inserts of the album. 7 mil
Had them on a huge classic iconic single with video
They were on mase album and in a video for a classic record that actually catered to the streets. 4mil
Sharing magazine covers with mase.
Being on ALL THAT,which only a select few rappers got on.

They go platinum. Even with a single feat lil kim the new hot bytch of rap

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

they stood out before they even got their deal with bad boy. you dont know what ur talking about.

banks wouldve been gold at best if he wasnt on g-unit, but he played a VITAL role in the crew. alot of people that didnt care for 50 & them liked that, used to cop the mixtapes cuz of banks.

sidenote: i didnt know banks sold that much. i figured he sold 1.5 tops.

Banks did play a vital role in that crew but he wouldnt be shyt without 50.
All sources are saying 1,though i've heard 2 for years. So i guess 1 and change

 

['Lando]

I ONLY SEEK THE TRUTH,that's why you can never go against me in debates like this.

The differences in the performance lists is laughable and shows how once again YOU ARE LOST AND ACTING ON EMOTION
ANyone with a cpu etc can see the real truth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All_That_musical_guests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_In_Living_Color_episodes#Live_performances
In living color vastly favored hiphop with a short list of R&B performances
While ALL THAT vastly favored R&B with a few hiphop guys per season.

Facts: i never said the lox were supposed to sell 7 million. I never said ALL THAT could help them or anyone sell 7 million.
I gave a list of reasons as to why i felt the lox were pathetic for doing the numbers they did and i stand by that.
For the record,sales arent everything. I dont believe sales alone determine how good an artists is.
It's the context as to how bad the lox did that make them so pathetic.
They were given chances rappers dream about and they did bad,simple as that.
They're on the front of and featured on this 7mil seller

Featured on this 4mil seller

And this 11mill album

In mega star mariah carey's video

Before they dropped an album.
They sell platinum. That's not good brehs.

life after death sold 11 mil?