For what? Back then, a blank disc with his name on it would go platinum.Eminem never even used to promote or support D12 and their solo shyt.... Why are people still surprised ?
Westside Gunn Makes It Clear On Eminem Promoting The Alchemist’s New Album
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Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
these dudes are insufferable you are only as big as your budget
they have a distribution deal with shady and are managed by roc nation
those are two completely separate things
I'm not surprised that people who throw shyt against the wall hoping it sticks dont know what a distribution deal is
budden may have been a little right about the way slaughterhouse was controlled song wise etc.... but you gotta realize these are two different situations. Griselsa is under distribution by Shady for the cosign and under the umbrella of eminem, they are distributed by Shady who has their back on printing and manufacturing supplies. Eminem doesn't control their songs at all.... its a "I got your back we got you" cosign
slaughterhouse was the same but more of a ... I'm kind of in your group to push it forward but not officially.... eminem was restructuring songs and trying to make the most profitable marketing for all 4 emcees... even if that wasnt the mold that worked best for them. They all went for it but Joe is more independent and didnt want to put his part in, when he could just make more money not being burdened by that shyt.
your manager and management gets you placements, that's roc nation. You could easily get your own billboards and ads on the internet instead of crying on twitter like Trump does. But realistically like D-Block, why would you promote regionally when your fans are all in the north east? The best plan they can take is bombarding ad placements online and getting placements on shows. I would tell them to put their tweets where the butter is, and place them in a setting they could crash and complain live. Like go on a broadcasted medium and literally say "I should be president of Def Jam" instead of just tweeting it...being outspoken only works when you actually mean it.
they have a distribution deal with shady and are managed by roc nation
those are two completely separate things
I'm not surprised that people who throw shyt against the wall hoping it sticks dont know what a distribution deal is
budden may have been a little right about the way slaughterhouse was controlled song wise etc.... but you gotta realize these are two different situations. Griselsa is under distribution by Shady for the cosign and under the umbrella of eminem, they are distributed by Shady who has their back on printing and manufacturing supplies. Eminem doesn't control their songs at all.... its a "I got your back we got you" cosign
slaughterhouse was the same but more of a ... I'm kind of in your group to push it forward but not officially.... eminem was restructuring songs and trying to make the most profitable marketing for all 4 emcees... even if that wasnt the mold that worked best for them. They all went for it but Joe is more independent and didnt want to put his part in, when he could just make more money not being burdened by that shyt.
your manager and management gets you placements, that's roc nation. You could easily get your own billboards and ads on the internet instead of crying on twitter like Trump does. But realistically like D-Block, why would you promote regionally when your fans are all in the north east? The best plan they can take is bombarding ad placements online and getting placements on shows. I would tell them to put their tweets where the butter is, and place them in a setting they could crash and complain live. Like go on a broadcasted medium and literally say "I should be president of Def Jam" instead of just tweeting it...being outspoken only works when you actually mean it.
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Deadman187
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Em was on "Pimplikeness". And the 50 feature was sampled straight from Ghetto Qua-ran
TheDarceKnight
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I'm not of the mind than Em owes anyone from Griselda anything (despite everyone knowing I'm not an Em fan) but Em was definitely on the Proof album. I guess it was with D12 but he was on it.
If you don’t mind me asking, what is a flop?
As an independent album it ranked in the top 10
Eminem produced one song on the album, and I’m sure would’ve produced many more if asked, but if he did, like I mentioned earlier the critics would say the album only did well because Eminem was all over it.
Thank you for saying this. What’s surprising to me is the fact that neither Benny or Westside Gunn got any BET nominations, no cypher no nothing. That was the perfect opportunity for both of them to get promotion. In my opinion Roc Nation dropped the ball, however Benny is doing really well with his own promotion.
FromBillionsCameOne
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But ate you sure that Proof WANTED Em on his album? Maybe he wanted to be self sufficient and prove his own value.
havent forgotten about this breh...been busy and I dont want to post something half ass, i want to do some more research and cite some sources so I can make it really informative.
I will also speak on how this has negatively effected WSG and Conway because now Benny is starting to cross over a bit with Burden of Proof. WSG was by far the most popular member and he is still wildly popular for an underground rapper but Benny has now shot past WSG and Con is still stuck in the same place
Con is reported on Spotify as having 572 monthly listeners
WSG over 1 mil
Benny over 1.3 mil
these numbers arent the end all be all but they certainly are telling. Con listeners are probably more inflated than that stat says because his 2nd most streamed song is the song with Dej Loaf....just over 900k. his most streamed song is....Bang w/Eminem with over 7 million streams. WSG and Benny dont have a song anywhere close to that. Benny song with Weezy and Sean over 3 mil. West has two songs pushing towards 3 mil.
This is just one DSP. Keep in mind Con and West have a lot more projects than Benny in the past two years. Benny wasnt as popular as them even after the release of TT3, it took some time. After Plugs he started to really warm up. I think the Shady affiliation was kinda holding them back whereas Benny didnt have as much pressure, which is why he didnt drop as much as they did. Now he has signed his distro deal with E1. So they are all Roc Nation management but Benny has different distro. He is getting the streams and the sales...whats the difference here?
Another fantastic post brehski!
Those Spotify figures are interesting....
Only Benny and Westside Gunn have a Roc Nation management deal, but in my opinion, Benny has done a great job of promoting and managing himself.
In my opinion, Westside Gunn and Benny should be wondering why management were not able to get either on the BET hip hops and both just released albums. Not one nomination at all.
Conway never did sign with RN did he? Damn. Something aint right. I dont keep up with awards. I think you have to have some sort of female base for that...which Benny appears to be garnering.
also as I said about Spotify, thats only one DSP, lets say they have equal percentage across platforms? Benny more than twice as popular than Con. I think Benny is steering his career in a little different direction which is why he dropped the project with Hitboy and put other projects on hold such as Stabbed and Shot 2. Benny is reaching Dave East level, I am talking musically only as East is a far more popular entity outside of his music.
Did anyone here catch the concert on Tidal?
had to come back to this thread to re-iterate that no matter what is going on...Griselda has become a huge success DUE TO the Shady co-sign. if they didnt have that, they would be right along with the rest of the pack. its not hard to see. I first heard them back in 2014 and really knew who they were in 2015. after they got with Shady, thats when they started getting invited on radio shows where Benny kinda got introduced to the world with those freestyles. So they have nothing to be salty about and I truly feel they are appreciative if they look at the situation. If it were someone else that got that co-sign, they couldve been in the same place.
had to come back to this thread to re-iterate that no matter what is going on...Griselda has become a huge success DUE TO the Shady co-sign. if they didnt have that, they would be right along with the rest of the pack. its not hard to see. I first heard them back in 2014 and really knew who they were in 2015. after they got with Shady, thats when they started getting invited on radio shows where Benny kinda got introduced to the world with those freestyles. So they have nothing to be salty about and I truly feel they are appreciative if they look at the situation. If it were someone else that got that co-sign, they couldve been in the same place.
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Why let a white person like Rosenberg or Eminem run your shyt?This is what Budden was trying to tell people.
He was for real surprised when he found out that Em is JUST a rapper lol, he's not gonna be doing much of the business stuff, that's really Paul's label. Imagine all of the comings and goings of Shady over the years if it was "Rosenberg records"
Respect to Eminem, but he makes a lot of corny music now
And he's not in touch with the youth
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Em aint out his original contract yet?Yep Royce has been saying that even Em himself is in a bad record contract (considering Em's financial condition at the time he signed, his deal is probably worst than Black Rob's). Cats been saying since sohh that Em is only the face of Shady, cats on here still fail to believe that
How many albums he gotta do?
