What Bernie Sanders Gets Right About Identity Politics

[ExodusNirvana]

This vitriol I see from certain writers attacking Bernie sanders and daring to call him a white supremacist in the most extreme cases are I believe people purposely being obtuse because they view this as a threat when their writing in a lot of cases is strictly based on identity politics. They see that check about to evaporate if the agenda changes on them.

Not Blow, but some of these younger writers popping off on twitter.


shyt is actually pretty bizarre and like a coordinated effort to take down Bernie for some strange reason. Like nothing he said to a reasonable thinking person sounds like he is putting racism on the back burner or "white supremacist" yet all these supposedly educated people went on the attack for whatever reason and strangely silent on Hillary's failure to win this election for stupid reasons.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist type but shyt is weird as shyt and like I said these people aren't uneducated. Wtf is going on?!

I still don't understand how anyone can associate Bernie Sanders with racism considering his background of activism

 

[No1]

I was not a Bernie fan although his anti-militarism and pro-civil liberties stance made him much a better candidate than Hillary imo. But a lot of writers and even many Black college educated folks I know personally were being disingenuous and obtuse in their criticism of Sanders because he did not engage in symbolism fueled moral grandstanding in relation to identity politics. Politically that was a mistake as symbolism matters a great deal in politics, and Bernie in interviews and speeches had a tendency to have tunnel vision and focusing too much on one thing. His response to Andrew Sullivan's stereotypical anti-immigration stance on Bill Maher was a great example of this. Does Sanders have an issue intertwining ideas? absolutely. But does it warrant the nonsense written by clowns like Marcus Johnson? No.

I think Sanders made Sullivan look like an idiot actually. As for Sanders, he had no one he could use to do the symbolic moral grandstanding. He had people like that one clown as the WashPo actively undermining the fact that he supported the CRM. Basically, when you clear out the field for a candidate like Hillary, the only credible challenge from the left happened to be a guy who was from the whitest state in America. That is on the Democratic Party. @Czarface I think the article agrees with you that all politics are identity politics. What is is attacking is using racial identity politics as a means of eliminating class-based critiques. The two are not opposed. But HRC surrogates made it so.

 

[ogc163]

I think Sanders made Sullivan look like an idiot actually. As for Sanders, he had no one he could use to do the symbolic moral grandstanding. He had people like that one clown as the WashPo actively undermining the fact that he supported the CRM. Basically, when you clear out the field for a candidate like Hillary, the only credible challenge from the left happened to be a guy who was from the whitest state in America. That is on the Democratic Party. @Czarface I think the article agrees with you that all politics are identity politics. What is is attacking is using racial identity politics as a means of eliminating class-based critiques. The two are not opposed. But HRC surrogates made it so.

Nah I disagree, maybe on other issues later on in the show he made him look bad but he did not answer the question in a concrete manner. Going off on an abstract tangent regarding Citizens United when illegal immigration is the subject showcases how Bernie often is unable to tie things together. My guess is he didn't give a concrete answer because he agrees with Sullivan specifically when it comes to wages and illegal immigration.

Why Conservatives Praise Bernie Sanders on Immigration

"But the praise is not accidental. Sanders’ opposition to the 2007 immigration reform bill and his rhetoric about the effect of immigrant labor on American workers have dismayed immigration activists and liberal allies in the past. He has expressed concern repeatedly over the years that guest workers in the United States depress wages and squeeze Americans out of their jobs."

 

[wire28]

he walked with martin

 

[No1]

Nah I disagree, maybe on other issues later on in the show he made him look bad but he did not answer the question in a concrete manner. Going off on an abstract tangent regarding Citizens United when illegal immigration is the subject showcases how Bernie often is unable to tie things together. My guess is he didn't give a concrete answer because he agrees with Sullivan specifically when it comes to wages and illegal immigration.

Why Conservatives Praise Bernie Sanders on Immigration

"But the praise is not accidental. Sanders’ opposition to the 2007 immigration reform bill and his rhetoric about the effect of immigrant labor on American workers have dismayed immigration activists and liberal allies in the past. He has expressed concern repeatedly over the years that guest workers in the United States depress wages and squeeze Americans out of their jobs."

This isn't true. Sanders just doesn't answer questions that he doesn't want to. He tries to stay on the mission. The position from 2007 is something he switched up on shortly after. Sanders is a guy who relies on facts. At the time there was an open debate about that issue. And I don't get how you think he went off on a tangent. His point was the shyt Sullivan was talking about was stupid and irrelevant. The only reason you think he made good arguments is because you may agree with him somewhere. But Sullivan is not a progressive at all. The issue was about looking inward as Democrats. And Sanders says that's not the real issue. He doesn't struggle to put issues together, that's just shyt people say because they disagree with him. The only thing he struggled to tie together is how special interests affect things like race, etc.

 

[ogc163]

This isn't true. Sanders just doesn't answer questions that he doesn't want to. He tries to stay on the mission. The position from 2007 is something he switched up on shortly after. Sanders is a guy who relies on facts. At the time there was an open debate about that issue. And I don't get how you think he went off on a tangent. His point was the shyt Sullivan was talking about was stupid and irrelevant. The only reason you think he made good arguments is because you may agree with him somewhere. But Sullivan is not a progressive at all. The issue was about looking inward as Democrats. And Sanders says that's not the real issue. He doesn't struggle to put issues together, that's just shyt people say because they disagree with him. The only thing he struggled to tie together is how special interests affect things like race, etc.

He went off on a tangent because Citizens United/Oligarchy is irrelevant to the subject being put forward. The subject Sullivan was bringing up was not at all irrelevant especially in this election, if one feels oligarchy/money in politics is more important ok, but to write that it was irrelevant is ridiculous.

As for the bolded, I never stated or even implied Sullivan made a good argument in regards to illegal immigration, there was nothing I wrote that would give off that impression. I have in several immigration threads argued against the line of thought Sullivan espoused. The idea that the "only reason" that I agree with him somewhere has no basis in anything I've written here or any recent immigration thread, I don't know how the hell you came to that conclusion.

 

[hashmander]

i'm dumbfounded about all this talk of identity politics on the democratic side in a year where the guy who won the election was a souped up identity politician. typical weak democratic shyt as soon as the republicans play the game better they say we need to blow it up and go back to the drawing board. the republican double down and say fukk you, we're not changing.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This whole "Trump won by appealing to white nationalism" schtick is so lazy. I'm tired of it. Context is everything. Hillary offered 4 more years of exclusionary elitist economic recovery and identity politics. Denying that in the role of the outcome of this election is disingenuous

 

[No1]

He went off on a tangent because Citizens United/Oligarchy is irrelevant to the subject being put forward. The subject Sullivan was bringing up was not at all irrelevant especially in this election, if one feels oligarchy/money in politics is more important ok, but to write that it was irrelevant is ridiculous.

As for the bolded, I never stated or even implied Sullivan made a good argument in regards to illegal immigration, there was nothing I wrote that would give off that impression. I have in several immigration threads argued against the line of thought Sullivan espoused. The idea that the "only reason" that I agree with him somewhere has no basis in anything I've written here or any recent immigration thread, I don't know how the hell you came to that conclusion.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Sullivan, who is not a Democrat gave his analysis, and Sanders said that isn't the issue. It's not that complicated. He and the Nebraska Senator both ignored Sullivan. No one on the panel took him seriously or even followed it but you singled in on Sanders. The point is, you had a belief and you're twisting the facts to fit that narrative. I would have done the same thing as Sanders because that point is stupid. You're a smart guy, for you to even pretend that Sullivan was saying something relevant must have come from a place of sympathy in my eyes. Sanders said that isn't the issue in America, why in the world would he spend 10 minutes arguing that point when he can refocus the discussion, which he did effectively.

 

[Voice of Reason]

This whole "Trump won by appealing to white nationalism" schtick is so lazy. I'm tired of it. Context is everything. Hillary offered 4 more years of exclusionary elitist economic recovery and identity politics. Denying that in the role of the outcome of this election is disingenuous

Does your dumbass still believe this