What is with the right's obsession with abortion?

[NoMayo15]

If as you say the Law etc is the only thing that obligates you to respect another Rights.......then you thing it is fair for the strong to abuse the weak, in the absence of laws restricting the strong - if so then the Laws needs amending.
Europeans were and are strong and the made Laws that suited their purpose with regards to the Enslavement of Africans....Even had religion and science supporting those cruel and unjust laws......Africans and Europeans changed those laws
Then I am speaking for the voiceless fetus who is unable to reciprocate and threaten your Rights.....allowing them some human dignity.
No...I will impeding the Socalled Rights of those who are intent upon persecuting or destroying the weak and powerless on the grounds that they are less then or not human..

Well good think I didn't say that.

But you seem to conflate embryos with human life ... as if they are the same. They aren't. And a fertilized egg is not a living, conscious being.

WOW.....You know when Racist Slave Holding whites had blacks as chattel that was the same argument they used......"Black Africans do not feel pain like we do" as the experimented on them medically without anesthesia..
There is much medical literature on both sides of the argument as to whether or not a fetus feels pain....I side with those who says they do

Interesting deflection, but even if that is true, they were demonstrably wrong. That says nothing about whether pain is felt in this situation, especially when the scientific consensus is contrary to your position. I would be interested in your source, but I'm betting it's 100% agenda driven.

Point is you do not have sovereignty over your body now in the sight of the law and we all accept and live with that loss.
Yes....Abortion is legal before a specific age of the fetus, (so was the enslavement of Africans before the mid 1800's) - I disagree with this idea and that is why we are here having this discourse. On this Issue I support the right wing Republicans

Okay, you just happen to be wrong.

Their many people today who cannot walk or talk....what should they now be killed off.
The inability to think is at this time hard to prove.....Some may have thought the great Helen Keller could not think because of her lack of restraints.

Well if they are in a vegetable state, then we certainly should appeal to their choice, or the choice of their loved ones if the individual didn't specify what to do. What you want to do is akin to forcing someone to stay alive, even if it causes tremendous pain.

No its not apples and oranges often time crash victims end up unable to walk talk or worse in a vegetative state.
Precisely because as it stands now human beings can only come into this world through a woman's womb.....Then it is up to us to protect this fragile human life.

It's not up to us. If that person is in such a state, then we appeal to their belief before the accident. If they did not write down a stance in a will or something, then we appeal to family. Complete strangers don't get to decide who lives and who dies...they have their own sovereignty. And you can't force someone to continue a pregnancy.

 

[EndDomination]

Same reason they care so much about abortion, and cared so much about access to birth control: they pick and choose certain "women controlling" portions of the Bible, and when these issues become popular with their constituents, they focus on them.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Why have they been going so hard against abortion the past few years? I'm talking about states and congress?

I don't get it?

It's a wedge issue.

 

[frankster]

Well good think I didn't say that.

But you seem to conflate embryos with human life ... as if they are the same. They aren't. And a fertilized egg is not a living, conscious being.

Yes I see an embryo as human life.....whether conscious or not.
Unconscious people have no rights?
Says who embryos are not conscious?

Interesting deflection, but even if that is true, they were demonstrably wrong. That says nothing about whether pain is felt in this situation, especially when the scientific consensus is contrary to your position. I would be interested in your source, but I'm betting it's 100% agenda driven.

There was a time when doctors thought and believed newborns did not feel pain...today the categorize fetal Responses into Reflex and Experiential - Reflex being non painful and Experiential being Painful. To me that a distinction without merit. What I am trying to say here is that science has various in built prejudices.....whether be slaves or newborns
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/magazine/10Fetal-t.html?pagewanted=all

Here is my source:
The neural pathways for pain may be traced from sensory receptors in the skin to sensory areas in the cerebral cortex of newborn infants. The density of nociceptive nerve endings in the skin of newborns is similar to or greater than that in adult skin.24 Cutaneous sensory receptors appear in the perioral area of the human fetus in the 7th week of gestation; they spread to the rest of the face, the palms of the hands, and the soles of the feet by the 11th week,
KJS Anand and PR Hickey: Neonatal pain and its effects

And is your source not agenda driven?

Okay, you just happen to be wrong.

I doubt it very much.
I do not based my opinions on the politics of the day but on the reality of the historic situation.

Well if they are in a vegetable state, then we certainly should appeal to their choice, or the choice of their loved ones if the individual didn't specify what to do. What you want to do is akin to forcing someone to stay alive, even if it causes tremendous pain.

Yes.....in the circumstance of the child more often than not we know it will eventually be conscious.....so wait
With the adult who did not specify the Laws as they are will do

It's not up to us. If that person is in such a state, then we appeal to their belief before the accident. If they did not write down a stance in a will or something, then we appeal to family. Complete strangers don't get to decide who lives and who dies...they have their own sovereignty. And you can't force someone to continue a pregnancy.

Sometime it is a judge who decides......complete stranger
I think of it as saving a human life