What the Jews won’t tell you - they took their history from ancient sumeria

[Brian O'Conner]

@MMS

You going to delete this thread too?

 

[Brian O'Conner]

it depends on whose giving those names meaning.



enlighten us.
however your responses are characteristically opaque.

and i, as well as a multitude of other posters, continuously ask for clarification, and your clarifications are even more opaque, on purpose. the outside observer of said conversations, may arrive at the same conclusion as you - "smart dumb and silly", even though i know that not to be the case. so i'll wait until the day you decide to be transparent, clear, and forthcoming about your opinions that you intentionally obscure for whatever reasons. hopefully, today will be that day.

He is not trying to add to the discussion just antagonize me because I called him out for trolling

@MMS

 

[MMS]

it depends on whose giving those names meaning.



enlighten us.
however your responses are characteristically opaque.

and i, as well as a multitude of other posters, continuously ask for clarification, and your clarifications are even more opaque, on purpose. the outside observer of said conversations, may arrive at the same conclusion as you - "smart dumb and silly", even though i know that not to be the case. so i'll wait until the day you decide to be transparent, clear, and forthcoming about your opinions that you intentionally obscure for whatever reasons. hopefully, today will be that day.

i think you should be whatever poster you are, and I will post how I post (word to Art Barr)

but consider the names "Ra' the sun/creative speech
Atum - "living one, or existing one"
Ptah "creator/potter"

an epithet is not a personal name, all three of those names are a reference to the same entity Amun (hidden). But a magician is not always considering it that way, if they are only considering the epithets

Exodus 7:1 Hebrew Text Analysis

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[LeaveMyHairLineAlone]

Denying GOD'S Word is going to turn out bad for you.

I would suggest you pick up the book and learn it.

SYBAU

 

[Richard Glidewell]

Science is science.

 

[DPresidential]

So, you believe modern jews are secretly knowing they took their history from somewhere?

Do modern Christians know they secretly took the Christmas story from somewhere?

This is a weird ass thread.

 

[Ducktales]

Facts..If you believe the Bible in 2025 despite having access to all of this historical knowledge at your fingertips , you are just believing with your heart , because there is no rationality in it .

 

[Diunx]

I bet you believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago too.....

imagine being a grown man and typing retarded shyt like this

You also believe in santa and the easter bunny?

 

[Black Hans]

No they didn't. Everyone in the BC days talked about the Nephilim because that's a part of actual history . Even Native Americans have stories about them. The Sumerians get info from the offspring of horny angels got you thinking the whole world didn't experience what went down in the days of Noah. Don't worry you'll get another chance real soon.....

Quit trying to discredit scripture. It ain't gonna work

 

[Fillerguy]

Yall realize these civilizations developed on or around one another? That's like saying America copied the industrial revolution from England.

This is basic comparative mythology. The other difference being the Abrahamic faiths convinced the world that their versions are real.

 

[Brian O'Conner]

No they didn't. Everyone in the BC days talked about the Nephilim because that's a part of actual history . Even Native Americans have stories about them. The Sumerians get info from the offspring of horny angels got you thinking the whole world didn't experience what went down in the days of Noah. Don't worry you'll get another chance real soon.....

Quit trying to discredit scripture. It ain't gonna work

Where you there when it happened?
Are you a witness to what you speak of?
Where have I discredited scripture? I have done no such thing except reveal truth.

Yall realize these civilizations developed on or around one another? That's like saying America copied the industrial revolution from England.

This is basic comparative mythology. The other difference being the Abrahamic faiths convinced the world that their versions are real.

No

Sumerian predates all other civilizations by at least a thousand years if we go by scientific evidence . Potentially 100,000 of thousands of years if we go but what the Sumerians tell us in their laws and codes and history

 

[invalid]

i think you should be whatever poster you are, and I will post how I post (word to Art Barr)

this is all fine and good but neither here nor there to the point. post in whatever manner befits you.
the point being made, however, is that what you perceive of others, may be perceived of you.

but consider the names "Ra' the sun/creative speech
Atum - "living one, or existing one"
Ptah "creator/potter"

you need to clarify this because this is also opaque. you asked me for the meanings of the names but then you provide epithets after making a point about the conflation of names and epithets. and then it appears you go a step further to make the claim that the actual names of these gods, are in effect, essentially epithets on their own, of the god amun - thus being different emanations of the same being - whose name means wind - not "the hidden one" which is an epithet of amun that flows forth from the idea of wind being hidden but felt.

creative utterances were personified in hu, not ra and is more closely linked to ptah.

atum is affiliated with the benben mound and *means* completeness.

atum brings forth the ogdoad which includes amun, the earliest attestation being in the 5th/6th dynasty while ra is attested to as early as the 2nd dynasty.

ptah is said, in some myths, to have brought forth ra.

if you are trying to make the case that these are emanations of amun, it has to be a tight case and not simply based off the 18th dynasty refashioning (merging) of these deities which they were able to do and take creative licenses with because of the multitude of different creation myths about them to begin with.

otherwise, because ra horakhty emerged, with your same line of thinking, one can come to the conclusion that horus is an emanation of ra and we know that's not the case.

additionally, you have the issue of amun being pitted against the aten in the 18th dynasty which should have been a nothingburger if it was presumed that the solar disc presents as the "face" of the "hidden one"

and finally, which was the whole point of my previous post about your proclivity of dancing around the subject and not being forthcoming - which would help those who are trying to learn like me - plainly state what you are trying to allude to in many of your post on here - which is you believe in some respect, that the egyptian deities and maybe some of the others in antiquity, point to the presence of YHWH, but in some respect many people b*stardize or misunderstand the conceptions.

and if this is not what you believe, this is what I pick up trying to decipher your opaque replies, and if it is an incorrect assumption, you can always leave no room for doubt.

 

[MMS]

this is all fine and good but neither here nor there to the point. post in whatever manner befits you.
the point being made, however, is that what you perceive of others, may be perceived of you.



you need to clarify this because this is also opaque. you asked me for the meanings of the names but then you provide epithets after making a point about the conflation of names and epithets. and then it appears you go a step further to make the claim that the actual names of these gods, are in effect, essentially epithets on their own, of the god amun - thus being different emanations of the same being - whose name means wind - not "the hidden one" which is an epithet of amun that flows forth from the idea of wind being hidden but felt.

creative utterances were personified in hu, not ra and is more closely linked to ptah.

atum is affiliated with the benben mound and *means* completeness.

atum brings forth the ogdoad which includes amun, the earliest attestation being in the 5th/6th dynasty while ra is attested to as early as the 2nd dynasty.

ptah is said, in some myths, to have brought forth ra.

if you are trying to make the case that these are emanations of amun, it has to be a tight case and not simply based off the 18th dynasty refashioning (merging) of these deities which they were able to do and take creative licenses with because of the multitude of different creation myths about them to begin with.

otherwise, because ra horakhty emerged, with your same line of thinking, one can come to the conclusion that horus is an emanation of ra and we know that's not the case.

additionally, you have the issue of amun being pitted against the aten in the 18th dynasty which should have been a nothingburger if it was presumed that the solar disc presents as the "face" of the "hidden one"

and finally, which was the whole point of my previous post about your proclivity of dancing around the subject and not being forthcoming - which would help those who are trying to learn like me - plainly state what you are trying to allude to in many of your post on here - which is you believe in some respect, that the egyptian deities and maybe some of the others in antiquity, point to the presence of YHWH, but in some respect many people b*stardize or misunderstand the conceptions.

and if this is not what you believe, this is what I pick up trying to decipher your opaque replies, and if it is an incorrect assumption, you can always leave no room for doubt.

because this is the difference between our time and the time in the past

our names are not made with the same deliberate meaning as people were of the past.

so a name having a "powerful meaning" was used both as an epithet and as a tool by magicians.

what you perceive as different deities, i perceive as one unified deity

why is that important? because it will help you tune out the "animal" mind which is almost always single lobed. And the Egyptians did not know what the function of the mind was. Thats why the God of Israel ultimately took his people out of Egypt in the long run.

you say "ptah is said in some myths to have brought forth ra"

but if you read it the way i do "the creator is said in some myths to have brought forth created speech"

you'll understand quicker if you cease the defensiveness

contrast that statement with this myth

PASIPHAE - Greek Goddess & Witch-Queen of Crete

In Greek mythology Pasiphae was an immortal daughter of the sun-god Helius and a skilled practitioner of witchcraft. She married King Minos of Crete and bore him a number of sons and daughters. As punishment for some offence against the gods--committed either by herself or her husband--Pasiphae...

www.theoi.com

 

[Vandelay]

There's a bunch of similarities in a number of religions and mythology around the Mediterranean at that time. A key practice in adopting new beliefs and practices is similarities to previous beliefs and practices.

 

[Brian O'Conner]

As we carry on, let’s go back to Egypt for a little while

You have heard them say you were slaves 400 years until Moses led them out of Egypt ;

there is no direct archaeological or textual evidence to support the biblical story of Moses and the Exodus from Egypt
, with most historians considering the event a founding myth rather than a historical fact.

There IS stories of pharaoh Akhenaten starting a monotheistic religion and many similarities with the great hym to aten and psalms 104

However we are not here to talk about Egypt, this is about sumeria and the Jews. So let’s take a more honest look at the slaves and Moses through the eyes of Sumerians

Follow me here closely…

The story of Moses and slaves out of Egypt parallels the Sumerian myth of the Igigi (slaves)

The Igigi in Sumerian Mythology


• Who Were the Igigi?

Igigi - Wikipedia


• The Igigi were a class of gods in Sumerian and Akkadian mythology, often described as younger or subordinate deities serving the Anunnaki, the great gods who ruled the cosmos (e.g., Anu, Enlil, Enki). Their name likely derives from a Sumerian term meaning “those who see and observe,” suggesting a role as watchful or laboring beings.



The Burden of Labor:


• After the gods divided the cosmos, the Igigi were tasked with grueling work: digging rivers, canals, and clearing land for the Anunnaki. The epic states they “bore the toil” for 40 years by day and night, a poetic timeframe emphasizing endless drudgery.



2. The Revolt:


• Exhausted and resentful, the Igigi rebelled. The epic describes them burning their tools, marching to the temple of Enlil (chief Anunnaki god) in Nippur, and staging a protest. They complained of their unbearable workload, saying, “We have become weary with toil.”


• This was a bold act, as challenging the Anunnaki risked divine wrath. The rebellion wasn’t violent but a collective refusal to continue working.

3. Resolution and Human Creation:


• The Anunnaki convened a council to address the crisis. Enki (Ea in Akkadian), the god of wisdom, proposed a solution: create humans to take over the Igigi’s labor.


• The goddess Nintu (or Mami) and Enki crafted humans from clay mixed with the blood of a slain god (We-ilu or Geshtu-e, a minor deity sacrificed for the purpose). This act mirrors Sumerian creation motifs, where humans are molded to serve the gods.


• Humans were assigned the Igigi’s tasks, freeing them from toil. The Igigi’s fate post-rebellion isn’t detailed, but they likely returned to their roles as lesser gods or celestial observers.

So essentially it is a very similar story in principal to Moses exodus out of Egypt on a very surface level