What TO YOU is being good in the ring?
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richaveli83
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The GOATSo basically,
It's a tough question to answer. For example I used to think Cena was shyt in the ring, but I'm invested into his matches even though I know what's gonna happen; that's probably because he's the main star thus he's an attraction but still.
Whereas I used to think Neville was one of the best guys on the roster, but I yawn an awful lot when he's out there.
Like people in this thread have mentioned Hogan, he wasn't very good in the ring but damn you can't look away during his matches.
Maybe it's more how big of a star someone is over how good they are in the ring
Whereas I used to think Neville was one of the best guys on the roster, but I yawn an awful lot when he's out there.
Like people in this thread have mentioned Hogan, he wasn't very good in the ring but damn you can't look away during his matches.
Maybe it's more how big of a star someone is over how good they are in the ring
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
I had to really think about this question, because its a great question and probably will explain why some people like who or what feds they like.
I do agree with this on a foundation level... but I would like to expand.
To me also being good in the ring is having a large to nice size moveset and being able to execute them flawlessly majority of the time. Like I know there will be botches and missteps occasionally. But as long as most of the time they hit it right its counts for me.
Just because you do the same 5 moves but do them flawlessly, sell well, and pose at the right time to me doesnt make you a great wrestler. Also the guys that show me the same shyt every week doesnt make me think "wow he's nice" cuz to me thats lazy and uninspiring to me.
Also, being good to me is the guys that can do stuff that "theoretically" WE cant do. I say "theoretically" cuz yes I know in the grand scheme of things, these guys practice hard to do shyt like arm drags, simple body slams, and bumps... and them TE shows have revealed that that aint as easy as it looks. But at the end of the day, those are still basic moves that pretty much EVERY TRAINED wrestler can do and if you train hard enough you could do too. But I think the people that are good are the ones that can do extraordinary stuff.
Also, they guys who can as best as they can make everything look "improvised" in the ring vs "set up" if that makes sense
I do agree with this on a foundation level... but I would like to expand.
To me also being good in the ring is having a large to nice size moveset and being able to execute them flawlessly majority of the time. Like I know there will be botches and missteps occasionally. But as long as most of the time they hit it right its counts for me.
Just because you do the same 5 moves but do them flawlessly, sell well, and pose at the right time to me doesnt make you a great wrestler. Also the guys that show me the same shyt every week doesnt make me think "wow he's nice" cuz to me thats lazy and uninspiring to me.
Also, being good to me is the guys that can do stuff that "theoretically" WE cant do. I say "theoretically" cuz yes I know in the grand scheme of things, these guys practice hard to do shyt like arm drags, simple body slams, and bumps... and them TE shows have revealed that that aint as easy as it looks. But at the end of the day, those are still basic moves that pretty much EVERY TRAINED wrestler can do and if you train hard enough you could do too. But I think the people that are good are the ones that can do extraordinary stuff.
Also, they guys who can as best as they can make everything look "improvised" in the ring vs "set up" if that makes sense
ThatTruth777
Superstar
peeps like chris benoit, ultimo dragon and dean malenko are the first names that come to mind when i think of great great wrestlers but among that category of technical wrestlers you could say, wrestlers like hogan that have some gimmicky aspects to their style are good to. just different
The Amerikkkan Idol
The Amerikkkan Nightmare
Yeah, but dudes like Harley Race and Dusty Rhodes are all time greats and didn't have huge movesets. Andre the Giant didn't either.
Kill Dat Noize
Banned
Like people in this thread have mentioned Hogan, he wasn't very good in the ring but damn you can't look away during his matches.
Maybe it's more how big of a star someone is over how good they are in the ring
i think it's the selling. the guys back then just sold it better. the facial expressions, the movements... they were just better actors and better performers. they took it more seriously.
True, selling's everything, but I ALWAYS cringe whenever Cena pulls this face, like makes me so mad...
Malcolm Joseph
Microphone Checka
Pacing (Not relying on big spot after big spot and saving them for times that shock people - love him, but looking at K.O. here
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Selling (Overselling has become mistaken for good selling IMO. Remembering injuries, making your opponent look good and not doing a backflip for every punch)
Acting (Conveying emotions. I think of Flair, Austin, Guerrero and Hogan here)
Endurance (Being able to utilize longer matches.)
Charisma (Grabbing the attention of the audience - I can never look away from an Angle/Lesnar match)
Attention to detail (Referencing previous matches - Puro is pretty good at this, Consistent selling, Injury Recognition, taking Izzy's headband, ect.)
)Selling (Overselling has become mistaken for good selling IMO. Remembering injuries, making your opponent look good and not doing a backflip for every punch)
Acting (Conveying emotions. I think of Flair, Austin, Guerrero and Hogan here)
Endurance (Being able to utilize longer matches.)
Charisma (Grabbing the attention of the audience - I can never look away from an Angle/Lesnar match)
Attention to detail (Referencing previous matches - Puro is pretty good at this, Consistent selling, Injury Recognition, taking Izzy's headband, ect.)
Pacing, to deliver a dramatic match with the right things at the right times.
For me, I think the most important thing is to remind that it's fake as little as possible. Instant suspension of disbelief killers are when it's painfully obvious that it's two guys cooperating to co-ordinate a move, versus one guy putting a move on an unwilling opponent. I see this often from so called indy darlings and good workers. I want to look like two people are fighting against each other, not with each other.
Also, guys who lack snap/power in their moves. Hogan's punches always looked so weak, especially for such a jacked up dude. Where as Bret's/Scott Hall's looked great. I think that's why Bret and Shawn got away with being smaller guys. Everything they did looked good and powerful.
Edge's running hug is another example of a groaner, versus Goldberg's spear.
People always talk about psychology/storytelling, but honestly, those basics above need to be in place or else it's already lost for me.
For me, I think the most important thing is to remind that it's fake as little as possible. Instant suspension of disbelief killers are when it's painfully obvious that it's two guys cooperating to co-ordinate a move, versus one guy putting a move on an unwilling opponent. I see this often from so called indy darlings and good workers. I want to look like two people are fighting against each other, not with each other.
Also, guys who lack snap/power in their moves. Hogan's punches always looked so weak, especially for such a jacked up dude. Where as Bret's/Scott Hall's looked great. I think that's why Bret and Shawn got away with being smaller guys. Everything they did looked good and powerful.
Edge's running hug is another example of a groaner, versus Goldberg's spear.
People always talk about psychology/storytelling, but honestly, those basics above need to be in place or else it's already lost for me.
Diversity is the biggest one to me, especially today. You can't go out and have the same match every night and expect me to be entertained by it every time. That's what the problem with guys like Hogan and Flair were. That formula worked before weekly matches on TV, but it hasn't worked since the start of the Monday Night Wars.
Box Cutta
Bumbling Sidekick
I feel like this is the thing I dislike most about WWE matches...the style is so predictable. It's like everyone wants to do the exact same thing.
Of course, the WWE matches *do* look "professional", and it's rare to see outright botches or injuries resulting directly from in-ring actions.
Seems like there is a tight balance between the two extremes. I wish that they would lean a little bit more towards creativity as opposed to efficiency though.
