what's with obama and his 'tough love' speeches towards the black community?

[HelgaPataki]

Although African Americans cannot be deported, they can be permanently removed from society or at least for long periods of time through the court system and Clinton saw to that with the enactment of mandatory minimum sentencing, three strikes, and truth in sentencing—all interconnected and intertwined with the war on crime and drugs. These also coincided with the reduction of the state in welfare expenditures and in increase in state and local funding for the construction of new prisons that fueled the prison industrial complex. There may not have been money for public schools, job training program, healthcare, and food, but there was money for prisons and jails. Again, these are associated with Reagan-Bush presidencies, but they were carried over and made harsher under the Clinton Administration. As the crack epidemic heated up in many African American communities throughout the United States, the arrests, convictions, and sentences for drug-related offenses increased. Under new drug sentencing laws, judges now had little discretion in the sentencing of drug offenders. The rates of African American men and women who were charged, convicted, and sentenced for drug offenses increased under the Clinton Administration as judges were given little discretion in sentencing due to strict, statutory federal sentencing guidelines and mandatory minimum sentences for crimes that were committed three times. Similar to the situation of deportees, community ties and family relations should have been helpful in obtaining a reduced sentence or keeping the person out of prison. This was not the case even for women who were pregnant, had small children, or were responsible for other family members. States also adopted truth in sentencing (TIS) guidelines that gave way to the construction of more prisons. Prior to the enactment of TISs, parole boards could determine the actual amount of time one spent in jail. A convict could be released early for good behavior while in prison and placed on parole. This changed with the war on crime and drugs and now both violent and non-violent criminals including drug offenders must spend a larger proportion of their sentences behind bars and parole is often restricted. A federal TIS law passed during Clinton's administration in 1994 sweetened the pot for states to adopt truth in sentencing. They were now entitled to receive federal funding if convicted criminals served eighty-five percent of their sentences.

Hillary, African Americans & The Myth of Bill Clinton
stay co0ning

 

[The Nigerian]

The lack of support for Obama is pretty sickening from a hip-hop board. I can't even front, this thread could double as a fox news forum. I wish the cats who downing Obama would listen to the pure hatred he faces everyday from cacs.

if you think any of these Obama haters are voters.

 

[Born2BKing]

Hillary, African Americans & The Myth of Bill Clinton

stay c0oning.

You know the c00ns are ready for a white man to come and save them because we'sa know us blacks do nothing. We's gotsta show that there white man the respect he deserve. We's need another good white man to come ahere and save us here again.

 

[DreadHead P]

Yo daddy nikka.

Your jokes are status b, make it rain on the edit button and try again



this is why i respect this man

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Some of those points are vague with total numbers spent...You have a link I can read to see the direct impact on payrolls of hires from 10' from that monies spent and if they are still employed?

I'm asking because I've worked with the SBA around the time the jobs act was passed and a lot of that was temp measures more than permanent solutions to help the labor market, esp with black folk. Alot of people asked about those programs when they passed but didn't qualify (didn't help that the banks cut their credit lines). Were those apart of the 8(a) certification program? Where minority owned (51%) can qualify for fed contracts. I mean are those statistics included in those? Hook them links up for me breh so I can see the economic impact.

I post proof, y'all say it's vague. I'm not looking for anymore links. You research it. Enlighten yourself the information is out there. It's just not controversial enough to make a good story, so they don't talk about it on the news.

Dudes in here with opinions but don't know the facts

 

[filial_piety]

• Through the Minority Business Development Agency (MBDA), the Obama administration helped
African-American clients secure more than $929 million in contracts and financing in 2009 and $2.4
billion in 2010, that’s helped businesses create and save jobs for African Americans.
• When President Obama signed the Small Business Jobs Act of 2010 it put more capital into the hands
of minority-owned businesses, supporting more than $12 billion in small business lending.
• A 21 Percent share of Jobs Act loans went to minority-owned businesses, according to data from the
Small Business Administration.
• President Obama’s White House Business Council launched a series of Urban Entrepreneurship Forums
aimed at connecting local entrepreneurs to public and private resources to help them expand, grow and
create jobs.


Black people are less then 12% of the electorate. Even if ALL of us voted and ALL of us voted for him he would still need the majority of the white vote to get into office. So how were we the only ones who supported him?

lol your copy and paste post

Those are some of the weakest points ever. It's no reflection on you, but I'm sure some die hard Obama supporter trumped that up lol...mind you damn near half of those say NOTHING about African Americans. And the points that do are so ambiguous and lack a statistical breakdown.

Obama’s White House Business Council launched a series of Urban Entrepreneurship Forums

And this was worthy of a bullet point





BTW I never said that he didn't need votes from other races--I said blacks backed him the most and they did. He received 98% of the African American vote. No other races showed that proportion of loyalty to his cause. All of that and still the highest unemployment rate

 

[Born2BKing]

lol your copy and paste post

Those are some of the weakest points ever. It's no reflection on you, but I'm sure some die hard Obama supporter trumped that up lol...mind you damn near half of those say NOTHING about African Americans. And the points that do are so ambiguous and lack a statistical breakdown.




And this was worthy of a bullet point





BTW I never said that he didn't need votes from other races--I said blacks backed him the most and they did. He received 98% of the African American vote. No other races showed that proportion of loyalty to his cause. All of that and still the highest unemployment rate

Do you know percentage of the black vote Clinton got?? Do some research breh.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

lol your copy and paste post


Those are some of the weakest points ever. It's no reflection on you, but I'm sure some die hard Obama supporter trumped that up lol...mind you damn near half of those say NOTHING about African Americans. And the points that do are so ambiguous and lack a statistical breakdown.




And this was worthy of a bullet point





BTW I never said that he didn't need votes from other races--I said blacks backed him the most and they did. He received 98% of the African American vote. No other races showed that proportion of loyalty to his cause. All of that and still the highest unemployment rate

Black unemployment was higher than the national average before he got into office. The entire econmy is fukked. There is no way to get black people back to work unless he gets EVERYBODY back to work.

You said he hadn't done anything for black people. I post proof that he has, you don't believe it. You complained that he talked about helping gays and immigrants and that was an important point. I post he talked about helping black people and it's not important.

Admit it, you wont be satisfied till he rides through the hood passing out checks

 

[HelgaPataki]

he did not get 98 percent of the vote. it was 95. those points are going to look like that whether it was about blacks, asians or hispanics. i'm not saying he's perfect but why paint him like some sneaky crook and paint clinton as some honorary black god?

yes, i agree african americans should not support him just because he's black. that won't help them. however i don't think people should look past his accomplishments or magnify his flaws because he is black either.

you guys are looking past a lot of code words in those points. a bill most likely isn't going to outright say "black schools get this" but it might say "urban schools qualify for this" if blacks are heavily concentrated in urban areas, then they benefit. the only difference is wording.

 

[Economics]

I post proof, y'all say it's vague. I'm not looking for anymore links. You research it. Enlighten yourself the information is out there. It's just not controversial enough to make a good story, so they don't talk about it on the news.

Dudes in here with opinions but don't know the facts

Lighten up playa. I'm asking for the direct link(because I like to look directly at economic impact) too much emotions. I like to read the direct links not the copy and paste. If you read my post I said I worked for the SBA around the time he passed some of these acts. I worked for these
(Small Business Development Centers (SBDCs) | SBA.gov).

I've helped black people develop business plans and submit them to community banks like Shorebank to obtain loans. Sadly Shorebank went under. I've helped them obtain 8(a) certifications for Fed contracts. Chill with the psychological projection too. I''m not your enemy . I just know how people manipulate info to present their own agenda (especially a political one) and others will pick up on it for their own conformational bias.

I remember clearly working with the SBA and we had events were small business owners who were facing sales decline along with credit line cut offs thought that some of those programs will help offset their losses and it didn't. The tax deductions on the payroll side had a marginal impact but it didn't stop them from laying off workers or with new hires later on like they thought they would. This was around the time the Entrepreneurship and Education at the Kauffman Foundation (kauffman foundation) was setting up programs with the SBA and their centers to try to aid entrepreneurship.

You seem emotionally invested in this though so I'm going to back off on asking questions...

 

[The Message]

The lack of support for Obama is pretty sickening from a hip-hop board. I can't even front, this thread could double as a fox news forum. I wish the cats who downing Obama would listen to the pure hatred he faces everyday from cacs.

I support the brother. I like what he represents. I think he's trying. If I see bs, I'm gonna call him out on it. I'm just not gonna support dude just because he's the same skin as me. I just dont like the tough love stuff, whether it's from or whoever. When Cosby did it, it just seemed like there was a huge disrespect and disconnect from our people and our conditions. Hey I understand, there are some low life ass demons out there. But to only focus on personal responsibility and that alone is to discredit the actual conditions cats are brought up in: single family homes, crack and the war on drugs crippling our cities in the 80s, poor education, rampant unemployment, HIV, police brutality and the prison industrial complex's stranglehold on our hoods... Saying pick up your boot straps, is turning a blind's eye to reality of the hell a lot of our people are living in.

 

[THEREALBRAND]

Under Obama the national debt has substantially increased, the number of Americans on welfare is at never before seen levels, government spending is out of control, unemployment numbers aren't declining, the economy is stagnant, etc.

How is Obama going to attack the black community when he's failed to hold up his end.

 

[Born2BKing]

I support the brother. I like what he represents. I think he's trying. If I see bs, I'm gonna call him out on it. I'm just not gonna support dude just because he's the same skin as me. I just dont like the tough love stuff, whether it's from or whoever. When Cosby did it, it just seemed like there was a huge disrespect and disconnect from our people and our conditions. Hey I understand, there are some low life ass demons out there. But to only focus on personal responsibility and that alone is to discredit the actual conditions cats are brought up in: single family homes, crack and the war on drugs crippling our cities in the 80s, poor education, rampant unemployment, HIV, police brutality and the prison industrial complex's stranglehold on our hoods... Saying pick up your boot straps, is turning a blind's eye to reality.

He has done plenty to support every demographic you just pointed out, now he is saying we have to get our shyt together. Cats on this same board complain about how black mothers are nieve to the shyt their kids do but now ya'll wanna complain? This shyt is just selective criticism. Same cats downing Obama are the same ones pissing on black folk for not taking personal responsibility for their lives.

 

[Born2BKing]

Under Obama the national debt has substantially increased, the number of Americans on welfare is at never before seen levels, government spending is out of control, unemployment numbers aren't declining, the economy is stagnant, etc.

How is Obama going to attack the black community when he's failed to hold up his end.

Shut the fukk up cac. Just because you post on a hip-hop board doesn't mean we can't see you a republican fukk boy.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Lighten up playa. I'm asking for the direct link(because I like to look directly at economic impact) too much emotions. I like to read the direct links not the copy and paste. If you read my post I said I worked for the SBA around the time he passed some of these acts. I worked for these
(Small Business Development Centers (SBDCs) | SBA.gov).

I've helped black people develop business plans and submit them to community banks like Shorebank to obtain loans. Sadly Shorebank went under. I've helped them obtain 8(a) certifications for Fed contracts. Chill with the psychological projection too. I''m not your enemy . I just know how people manipulate info to present their own agenda (especially a political one) and others will pick up on it for their own conformational bias.

I remember clearly working with the SBA and we had events were small business owners who were facing sales decline along with credit line cut offs thought that some of those programs will help offset their losses and it didn't. The tax deductions on the payroll side had a marginal impact but it didn't stop them from laying off workers or with new hires later on like they thought they would. This was around the time the Entrepreneurship and Education at the Kauffman Foundation (kauffman foundation) was setting up programs with the SBA and their centers to try to aid entrepreneurship.

You seem emotionally invested in this though so I'm going to back off on asking questions...

That's true for the ENTIRE country I understand you worked helping black people so you saw black people strugling and loosing businesses, but it is everybody that's struggling. We are currently in the middle of a global recession. Doesn't matter who the president is it's still all bad.

And I'm not emotional just passionate. The dudes in here talking this mess will be the same ones that don't go vote for him, then complain when mitt romney really shyts on us.