'Whats wrong with Wrigley and the Cubs?' Come in, let us discuss

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To me, the most historic park in all of baseball. I will actually be taking my first trip there this summer for a game with my boy who works for ESPN. 'What's wrong with Wrigley and the Cubbies' has been a question on my mind for the past 10 years. I've seen the Red Sox go from curse to 2x world champion. They were the AL version of the Cubs to me. Now with the Cubs being my Favorite team in the NL, they are always on the back of my mind. Why are they not contending year in and year out. Finally, Ol Rick Reilly himself answers that in the most accurate and honest way someone can...it's Wrigley itself. Here...Read this:​



Wrigley's Ivy is choking the life out of the Cubs
By Rick Reilly

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For the 97th straight year, the Chicago Cubs will attempt baseball this season in Wrigley Field. It's historic, magical and covered in vegetation. Then again, so is Machu Picchu and nobody's trying to win baseball games there.

I love Wrigley Field. But I'm not a Cubs fan. If I were a Cubs fan, I would despise Wrigley. I'd want Wrigley laid flatter than Wrigley gum.



There's a reason the Cubs have never won a World Series at Wrigley. There's a reason they're 0-for-the-last-67 pennant races at Wrigley. The reason IS Wrigley.

Wrigley isn't just the old family dog that needs to be put down. It's an old family dog that probably costs the Cubs about $73 million a year. That's three Prince Fielders!

Where do I get $73 million? Start from the outside-in -- with the money-sucking rooftop mini-stadiums that metastasize outside the ballpark.

The owners of these annoying watchtowers sell tickets as though they were the Cubs themselves. They even sell season tickets! The city continues to protect these leeches, who pass themselves off as mom and pop entrepreneurs, but actually rake in an estimated $24 million a year, according to the club.

Of that, the Cubs get a paltry 17 percent, or $4 million a year. Any fair deal would give them at least half. (There's $8 million they don't get.)

Inside, the Cubs are prohibited from putting up advertising signs that could make them up to $30 million more a year (that would be $38 million) because the signs would block the views of the precious rooftop oglers and the city can't have that.

You talk about a business being in your business. Can you imagine this happening to any other business?

Hey, H&R Block! We're not going to pay you for your tax advice, but we ARE going to pocket the cash people give us to sit outside your window and listen to it!

If all this seems insane to you, you should talk to Bruce Springsteen. In the middle of a recent concert at Wrigley, he stopped, turned toward the rooftops and said, with a smirk, "Everybody up on the roof! Who'd you pay?"

You say, "Well, the Cubs aren't really a business. They're a city treasure, a kind of living museum."

Fine, if they're a city treasure, then the city should help support them, the way it did for this summer's 30th anniversary of the Chicago Blues Festival, which received a $15,000 grant.

The Cubs pay 12 percent city "amusement" tax on every ticket (about $17 million a year -- we're up to $55 million), and yet the city doesn't give them a dime. Very unamusing.


There's more. You can open the doors of your business pretty much whenever you want, but the Cubs can't. They're allowed to play only 30 night games a year. And they can't even pick the nights. When owner Tom Ricketts inquired if they might play a few Saturday night games this season, the local restaurants fumed, "It'll kill our dinner business!"

Got it. Everybody gets to compete for customers except the Cubs.

Any idea how much more the Cubs could get for a TV package with 55 night games, which is what many teams play and when most fans watch? Me neither, but let's guess $5 million. (We're up to $60 million.)

God forbid they'd want to put up a decent video replay board, which is ad gold for most teams and, by the way, a place where Cubs fans could actually tell the score of the game without having to do the inning-by-inning math themselves, as they do now on the old hand-lettered relic in center. ($7 million? Total so far: $67 million.)

Plus, can you imagine the frogs that would rain down if they tried to sell the name of the stadium? They could never do what the White Sox did, which is to sell Comiskey to U.S. Cellular for $68 million over 20 years. The Cubs could probably get $100 million. There's another $5 million a year. (That's $72 million.)

And forget about how long it takes you to get up and get a hot dog at Wrigley (two innings sometimes), or get to the restroom and back (often three). Hell, by the third inning, the Cubs are on their third reliever. No wonder so many people sneak food in. What's that total in lost concessions? A million? (We're at $73 million.)

And that's just the money they don't get. Imagine the players they don't get -- because of their weird start times, their rotting training facilities, their wimpy weight room, their nonexistent in-game batting cage, their backachingly small clubhouse and their 104-year ringless streak.

Can you imagine what a genius like Cubs GM Theo Epstein could do with another $73 million a year? He'd be Theo, Unchained. He'd have the fourth-highest payroll in MLB instead of the 15th (2012). One of the biggest draws in sports shouldn't be 15th in anything.

The Red Sox finally stopped treating their little neighborhood park like it was a Faberge egg. They started putting up signs everywhere at Fenway, maxed out revenue anywhere they could, and won two of the past 9 World Series. You hear Boston fans complaining?

And yet Ricketts doesn't want to raze Wrigley. He was practically raised on Wrigley. He lives close enough that he takes the "L" to most games. And because he loves it, he has offered to pour $500 million of the family's money into renovating Wrigley -- $300 million for fixing the joint and the rest into a proposed hotel/fitness club across the street.

And what does Ricketts want for plowing no government cheese into the Wrigley rat trap? Not a dime. He just wants the city to relax some of the restrictions that make the Cubs a kind of crippled Carnival cruise ship with foul poles. And STILL aldermen such as Thomas Tunney are gumming it all up. Tunney wants more parking, more cops and to extend the sleazy rooftops deal, all of which he doesn't want to pay for. "You're talking about one of the richest families in America," Tunney told reporters the other day.

Not at this rate.

Epstein really didn't want any part of this column, but he did email to say, "We're focused on doing everything we can with what we have available to us now to make the baseball operation as healthy and successful as possible."

Too bad there's so little available.

It's simple, Chicago. You can either have your creaky, quaint, vine-covered crypt, or you can win. But you can't have both.

Do the math. You're used to it.

Link: ESPN Article
 

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So we are really about to act like there are
  • 1. No Cubs fans here and
  • 2. No one has an opinion on this...:rudy:
 

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:manny: cubs are always top 10 in attendance, and at worst top 5 in revenues (usually top 3).. money isnt the issue, the A's have consistently put out a better product and their stadium is trash, hardly any fans show up and no real big tv contract or anything. they just barely started getting their games on the radio out here like 2 years ago

i went last year around september, theres a great atmosphere in/out of the stadium, like a college town type of feel to it. tons and tons of skanks everywhere.

but i noticed ppl really weren't into the game after like the 4th/5th inning, they were talking amongst themselves or texting the shyt out of someone. and by the time the game ends everyone seems like they're shytfaced.

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took this pic when i went to see the giants vs cubs
 

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If the Mets are ever good again I would love to take a trip out to Chicago and catch a game at Wrigley.
 

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First off, one star for posting a Rick Reilly article.

Second, Wrigley is a fukking dump. They need to level that wasteland and build a new stadium.

Third, if their attendance is still near the top, even though they regularly field a pathetic team, why would ownership be motivated to put a winning product on the field? When those dipshyt fans start boycotting the team and stop showing up, management might finally put a contender out there.
 

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Didnt realize this many people were this salty at the Cubs. While I know I didn't do any research before hand to actually get an idea of there revenue, I thought it was an interesting article in the standpoint of how much money they are losing. I'll always be all ears for my coli brehs to educate me on sometime, once again, I've been educated on the Cubs

:manny: cubs are always top 10 in attendance, and at worst top 5 in revenues (usually top 3).. money isnt the issue, the A's have consistently put out a better product and their stadium is trash, hardly any fans show up and no real big tv contract or anything. they just barely started getting their games on the radio out here like 2 years ago

i went last year around september, theres a great atmosphere in/out of the stadium, like a college town type of feel to it. tons and tons of skanks everywhere.

but i noticed ppl really weren't into the game after like the 4th/5th inning, they were talking amongst themselves or texting the shyt out of someone. and by the time the game ends everyone seems like they're shytfaced.

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took this pic when i went to see the giants vs cubs

Great point breh
 

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:manny: cubs are always top 10 in attendance, and at worst top 5 in revenues (usually top 3).. money isnt the issue, the A's have consistently put out a better product and their stadium is trash, hardly any fans show up and no real big tv contract or anything. they just barely started getting their games on the radio out here like 2 years ago

i went last year around september, theres a great atmosphere in/out of the stadium, like a college town type of feel to it. tons and tons of skanks everywhere.

but i noticed ppl really weren't into the game after like the 4th/5th inning, they were talking amongst themselves or texting the shyt out of someone. and by the time the game ends everyone seems like they're shytfaced.

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took this pic when i went to see the giants vs cubs

wrigley just happens to be in a really great neighborhood. that's why they do so well. cuz there's mad bars and places to go before/after the games, and a plethora of young white loose women. plus all the years of the cubs having national games damn near daily with them being on a superstation (WGN) made them have fans all across the country. haven't been to a cubs game in like almost 20 years, but the stadium sucks. seats are too close together, and the bathroom situation is awful with the troughs u piss in. when it comes to seeing an actual game, there's no comparision between the cubs and the sox. the sox game is a MUUUUCCCCHHHH better experience. and US Cellular has really good food for a stadium.

I haven't really gotten into baseball in the last 10 years as I got older. I cannot follow it, cuz of the time committment it requires. I always preferred the cubs over the sox simply cuz my grandad watched them when I was growing up religiously. that plus the sox played on cable, and they didn't have cable.

wrigley is really like :bryan: heaven tho.
 

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the cubs are like the golden state warriors had been for the last 20 or so years.
very loyal fan base that continues to inexcusably show up to support TRASH teams, ownership that sees this and realize they dont have to do anything in terms of putting a winning product on the field so they continue to live in mediocrity while stupid loyal fans continue to support the team and make the owners rich.

it's crazy how trash and inept the cubs are, with less success and an old ass stadium compared to the white sox and yet they're still hands down the most popular baseball team in chicago. at the Sears tower they have the bulls, cubs, bears and blackhawks all represented as the city teams but there wasnt one chi white sox logo or mention anywhere lol. sox are def the red headed step child of chicago sports
 

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How do some folks end up Cubs fans and some end up White Sox fans--is primarily based on location, ethnicity, income (I suppose to the extent these three can be separated)?
 

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The Cubs suck but Wrigley always looks cool on TV. Always has. I used to watch Cubs games as a kid since they were on TV after school. Glenallen Hill was nice not to mention Sammy Da Don but the Braves were on another level and that's all I have ever loved.
 

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I'm a diehard Cubs fan from the northside. I pass Wrigley daily and am like 5 minutes away on bike. They suck. :ld: I hope Leo brings us that chip tho. :lolbron:

There's always white hoes out, and when u're sipping, it's hot, YOU'RE hot :youngsabo:, and u can just chill around the park, it's :ahh:
 
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