When did Jay Z become a legacy artist? And how did Beyonce escape legacy artdom?

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Jay became a legacy act once he was offered to run Def Jam….

Dude was grinding and building the Roc brick by bric.

For him to come up on a offer like that is GOLDEN.

He became a big homie once he co-signed Rick Ross and Jeezy who both went on to do great things in the rap game.
 

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Different genres. Beyonce is on that Michael Jackson/Madonna/Janet Jackson/etc level where her albums remain noteworthy events/moments long into her career. At some point that will end but not yet. Cowboy Carter did what, 400k first week? Even super star artists who still sell records aren't doing that. Gaga's album this year did about 220k first week, for reference.

I'd argue Jay didn't become a legacy artist until some point after 4:44. That album sold very well and had a hit record, so he was still very relevant. I'm sure he can still sell records, the same way U2 or Coldplay can still sell records. I just don't think he's capable of having a hit record at this point.

Right

Miley Cyrus last album did 44k back in June it's first week ...Justin Bieber less than 200k

While most rap hip-hop fans stop supporting rappers after a certain age even though there may be some respect there
 

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I don't necessarily think a legacy artist can't sell. Often times the legacy status keeps them selling.

For Jay probably post-TBA. Definitely by BP3 MCHG.

Bey never really escaped it. Post-Lemonade.

This is why I said a legacy artist is different than a legacy ACT.

I don't even fukk with Drake but he's a legacy artist at this point. Clearly peaked, dominating streaming with his older material, people are starting to get used to him not being at the forefront, you even got his fans crying about how the game is missing Drake as this nikka is actively dropping albums

:laugh:

But he will still garner attention and some sort of expectation a while from now based on what he did before that peak. You don't gotta make it all the way to the rolling stones where they wheel you out to do your LEGACY ACT and back to the shadows you go. Legacy artists are artists who have peaked, still active and actually have their legacy, which would be set in stone by then be the main draw for them.
 

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Yeah, but MCHG didn't have a normal album promotion cycle era like WTT & BP3 did. It came & went.
How do a album in 2013 have 4 successful singles and sell 3x million come and go lol

And you want to know why it had the type of promo?

Its because he was still a huge star who just had 2 multi platinum albums prior
 

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This is why I said a legacy artist is different than a legacy ACT.

I don't even fukk with Drake but he's a legacy artist at this point. Clearly peaked, dominating streaming with his older material, people are starting to get used to him not being at the forefront, you even got his fans crying about how the game is missing Drake as this nikka is actively dropping albums

:laugh:

But he will still garner attention and some sort of expectation a while from now based on what he did before that peak. You don't gotta make it all the way to the rolling stones where they wheel you out to do your LEGACY ACT and back to the shadows you go. Legacy artists are artists who have peaked, still active and actually have their legacy, which would be set in stone by then be the main draw for them.
Drake can still make hits and be in pop culture...jayz im can not make hits and only be in pop culture if attached to beyonce
 

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Drake can still make hits and be in pop culture...jayz im can not make hits and only be in pop culture if attached to beyonce

Again, read the OP, you don't have to be completely edged out of pop culture to be a legacy artist. You can still have hits, sales, success ect. but it's more so on the steam of your body of work, your reputation than adhering to trends or the timelines of youth culture.

It's why even though I understand why people would say Jay hit this phase around 444 or MCHG, because they're looking for a more obvious commercial/cultural fall off. But to me, The Black Album is what set his legacy in stone and became his biggest draw. After that, Jay was actually selling largely off his legacy like @Shadow King pointed up.
 
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Again, read the OP, you don't have to be completely edged out of pop culture to be a legacy artist. You can still have hits, sales, success ect. but it's more so on the steam of your body of work, your reputation than adhering to trends or the timelines of youth culture.

It's why even though I understand why people would say Jay hit this phase around 444 or MCHG, because they're looking for a more obvious commercial/cultural fall off. But to me, The Black Album is what set his legacy in stone and became his biggest draw. Drake's legacy for better or worse is pretty much set at this point.
I think you have to be completely edged out

Future isn’t a legacy artist. Meek mill is
 
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