When did lyricism become only for dweebs?

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  1. The Hon. Stringer Bell

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    the 80s and 90s that were a bunch of cool nikkas who were lyrical who still rapped about street shyt nikkas was getting bumped in the hood.

    But since the 00's damn near every elite lyrical cat been a nerd and doesn't get bumped in the hood mfs like

    joe budden
    royce
    eminem
    phonte
    etc

    Kendrick and Cole the only nikkas considered elite lyricist who get bumped in the hood. I'm probably forgetting some people but you get the point there was a clear shift from lyricism being cool and respected in he streets to it only being for nerdy mfs.
     
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    I'd say some time after the mid 00s.

    hell 10 years ago folks clowned guys like waka flocka and gucci mane for their basic bars.

    Now you got people calling them legends and shyt. Putting them in their top 10 DOA.
     
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    I spread out some of the blame to different places, the popularization of white speed rapping, Eminem in general, KRS-1 when he lectures, Hopsin, Ashner Roth, nerdcore being accepted or at least tolerated, comedy rappers, no gatekeepers anymore, acceptance of people into the culture that never would have been accepted in the 90s, new generation of rap fans who never grew up on the kind of music that hip hop drew inspiration from, rap fans who don't like R&B, rap fans who don't like rap music, rap fans who listen to the music "ironically", fans who's top 5's consist of Eminem and 4 other white speed rappers I never heard of before, fluoride in the water, Chino XL...
     
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    When Nelly came out the older crowd said he was trash lyrically. Now some of the top acts make Nelly sound like a prime Rakim.
     
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    It’s always been the case

    at no point in music history has lyricism been a priority in making music
     
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    Agreed for the most part. Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, etc didn't have a lyrical bone in their bodies but their music was blasted all the time.

    That post-Illmatic era definitely cared about lyrics tho.
     
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    St. Lunatics always cared about crafting bars when they first came out though, I looked at that as regional hate.
     
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    The moment you couldn’t smoke a blunt and vibe to it
     
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    I don't think the youngins necessarily dismiss lyricism but they will pick melodies above all. They want something catchy and if they have to compromise skill to bop to it, they will.

    I don't know where the hell we go from here tho. It's kind of a scary thought.
     
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    since i can remember...

    it probably has to do with the evolution of beats/production... in the 80s/90s it was all on the same level.

    since the mid 2000s lyrics are cool, but you have to sneak it into music people want to listen to in their day to day life.

    it's not something that's easy.


    i really think the new era of cats are legit just numb to it being dumb though and i swear this ain't a :flabbynsick: take. hip hop is pop to them, it's dumb shyt as pop always has been.
     
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    Pac, DMX, Hov, 50 Cent and Drake have sold more albums than just about everyone and none were/are considered super lyrical. This is nothing new. Bangers - be they anthems, club hits, whatever - are what drive hip hop. That...and ladies tracks...

    Yea it was "cool" to be lyrical in the 80s but...who was more popular, Run DMC or KRS One? Kane or Rakim? The people who respect lyrics the most have never really driven hip hop...an artform that literally started out based on who could rock the crowd the hardest

    Nobody trying to listen to Budden, outside of one song, in a public place or car. The biggest thought Royce has impressed on people is "damn I wish Premo gave that beat to Jigga or Nas." I love Phonte but come on. Eminem is white so him going rappity rap off beat makes white people tap their foot whether it's trash or not...so he doesn't count.
     
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    Lyricism is still important, what happened is dudes started thinking that rhyming multi syllables and punchlines/metaphors were a substitute for charisma, dope beats and songwriting skills. The rappers who are considered the best can do it all.

    And people also put arbitrary limits on what a good lyricist is.
     
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    When the South turned hip hop into the "Idiocracy" movie
     
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    there is a difference from lyrical and lyrical miracle type bars
     
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    gang culture & trick culture became dominant

    cats became less refined less intelligent generally

    cats aspire to be demons savages yadda yadda

    cats used to look like money they were the image of everything fly

    then they marketed the cultures image as some dirty pooputt shyte

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