Discussion in 'The Root' started by JahFocus CS, Feb 28, 2019.
Yeah read this when dude first posted it. too many of those twitter pan-africanists like him, unwoke, shabazzz lost their fukking minds over ADOS
This is the problem with Black leftists, they have no political solutions to anything and I say that as a Black leftist.
Any leftist with a passable understanding of Marx and European History of Fascism and Socialism can understand when the economy goes to shyt, people turn reactionary.
But what the fukk are you going to do about it as a LEFTIST?
This is why the Leftists fail and why Black leftists fail because they sit on the sidelines and just point shyt out.
They have a whole political career pointing shyt out. I been said ADOS is a reactionary ethnic nationalistic movement that can easily turn into some ultra right shyt, but it is a necessary one. What is the point of having Black immigrants who are in a totally different class than ADOS come into the USA who have no history in the USA or struggle here?
That shyt back then was a failure. The Black immigration thing was a catastrophic failure because you cannot integrate two opposing classes of people. Just like integration into White people was a failure. I don't know what the hell Booker T. Washington and them was thinking when they thought literate and educated Black people from majority Black countries should immigrate into a country with Black people who just got free and are uneducated.
You can't integrate a slave/underclass without them being made economically whole and that never happened. One of the key steps into making a lower class whole is class consciousness and a national consciousness. Native USA Blacks have to and must identify with being American slave descendants before being Black or being an African. Identifying with Black and African is why we never got reparations. Running away from being descendants of slaves is why we never got reparations. Trying to be Moors and Egyptians and all types of Pan-African fantasy is why we never got reparations. You can't solve a material condition with fantasy.
Pan-Africanists always want to have some African Unity with no land and no capital and don't understand they are just facilitating capitalistic exploitation of descendants of Africa by other descendants of Africa when they support this no borders shyt. They are draining majority Black countries of their best and brightest while eliminating the ADOS from economic life. Just imagine how much worst Black life in the USA would be like if ADOS immigrated all over the Western hemisphere.
Pan-Africanism at this point is immature.It doesn't even work in Africa because Africa is backwards. The reason why Europeans can have an EU and some form of Pan-Europeanism because they advanced beyond petty beefs, wars and tribalism. They created safe and secure nation states and realized that is better to cooperate than to fight. Look at how South Africans treat their Black immigrants and people wanna talk to ADOS about how bad this movement is and how it makes Black immigrants feel and all of this.
It's not 1965 anymore, the revolutionary moment is over. It went wrong. Now the best thing to do is have to nationalism because a country is a source of wealth and capital. Nation-states is what advanced humanity to this point. Protect your borders. Africa and the West Indies is being exploited by the Chinese and Europeans, how is running away to be with us solves that issue? How is having more Black immigrants gonna help us get wealth and build a viable life in the USA?
The Diaspora is not advanced enough to support all this fantastical bullshyt that Leftists Pan-Africanists like to peddle. We aren't White. We don't have capital to spare. We don't have the human capital to spare. We don't have the governmental institutions to spare. We need to advance on a national level, we need to have country. You can't go from slaves to fukking Wakanda by wanting to get along with other Black people. You know why White capitalists in Europe and the USA support all this immigration and diversity? Because they make money off of it, it benefits them. Immigration is not a benefit to working poor and working class people, it never was. Having more labor competition isn't a benefit to labor.
If ADOS movement is not an intelligent response to the racial wealth gap then what the fukk is Pan-Africanism at this point besides unrealistic political babble to make disconnected and disparate Western Black leftists feel good about themselves?
Read any legit text on Pan-Africanism, it doesn't even mention the Diaspora but the continent. Pan-Africanism is a dead ideology in Diaspora because the conditions have changed but the arguments and analysis haven't.
That was an interesting article, but it also did not propose much either, other than readings.
I pay far more attention to the Black Socialists of America, as with anything else, because "#ADOS" doesn't actually seem to be anything tangible.
Reparations are entirely possible, even probable in the upcoming election, the feasibility of a programme that could be rolled out within 8 years is much more difficult.
There is a grand difficulty, between obvious policies that are not African-American centered, but make noticeable and clear changes to our lives: doubling education funding and public medical service funding are two of them. A federal jobs programme targeted impoverished urban and rural Americans is another. A national childcare system and increased public library funding as a third. Federally mandated maternity leave across the board as a fourth.
Those should all be in place before reparations, as should both federal and state strengthening of local credit unions and mutual savings banks and tight regulation of mortgage and mortgage-back securities so we don't get a repeat of 2007.
This doesn't even take into account mass-incarceration.
It seems like policy concerns that have been eroded by successive Republican (and some Democratic) regimes are being thrown even further to the side in favour of this balls-to-the-wall reparations wants and claims.
We need a full-package, not just part of it.
The Black Socialists of America have the same exact issue as the Pan-Africanists
If you are a native Black American, everything you do, does not matter unless you get hundreds of yeras of slavery off your back. And nobody wants to address that. Black Socialists of America was around way before the ADOS movement, talking to Bernie Sanders and nobody talks about them. None of their platform reached national consciousness. It's basic Bernie Sanders/Richard Wolfe type socialism shyt but by Black people. Reparations was pushed to the forefront because it focuses on one thing. The racial wealth gap and how it can be removed. It's not vague, full of theory and analysis. It a graph and somebody saying, "We need to fix this."
Black Americans need the material manifestations of slavery removed. We need the debt removed before anything. We don't need no broad social program. Is the debt gonna be removed or not and what are the mechanism required to remove it. It is simple. We don't need things that everybody else gets, we need advantages and privileges to make up for what was done to this specific group for the benefit of everybody else. No matter if you are White, African, Latino or Asian, you benefit from the slavery of Africans who brought to the USA. You have taken in the wealth and the political advances made by that group that did not benefit the descendants of that group. All the legislation since Reconstruction that was passed, that was intended to benefit the descendants of slaves, did not.
All those other general social program is irrevelant and doesn't make any sense to advocate for as an ADOS. Why am I going to advocate for something that does not put me ahead of everyone else? We live in a capitalistic and competitive society and I am at a big negative, while everyone else is at a positive, why would I advocate for things that puts them further ahead of me? Yes we are throwing away all other policy concerns because we need this for our survival.
The reason why Black American life has not improved since the 1965, because people that had a clear vision of what needed to be done were assassinated and everybody else turned into bleeding heart Democrats instead of being descendants from slaves.
The Black Panther 10 Pt Program was specific to Black people and those demands nobody else was to get, it was not for the benefit of the country. The Civil Rights movement was specific for Black people. People had the descendants of slaves in mind when doing these things. Even when the Black Panthers got poppin, they specific said Black People are the Vanguard of the People. Even when the Poor People's campaign started, MLK was talking about reparations.
At this point, caring about the country and everything else does not benefit Black Americans. We did that already, it did nothing. The numbers bear it out. The math says that Black Americans are going to be socioeconomically eradicated. We need a big injection of wealth, every other scheme jacked from Scandinavia ain't cutting it Reparations is emergency surgery. Everything that tip toes the reality of slavery and what slavery does to a group of people is not cutting it. The reason why we go to jail is because of slavery. The reason why do bad at school is because of slavery. The reason why we are unhealthy is because of slavery. The reason why are economically preyed upon is because of slavery. The reason why racism and sexism exist against Black people in the USA is because of slavery.
Social Democracy is not going to fix this. These so-called socialists are not even really socialists, do not believe in a radical change in ownership of property or using the dictatorship of the proletariate but then they are race blind as hell and do not believe in justice - even the Black ones.
These people are ideologically dead and is why the Left have no power in the West.
If I hadn't already rep'ed you.. I would do so again.
All of them are stuck in the 60s/70s..not realizing/accepting that that way of thinking's time has truthfully passed...
as it must
@AlainLocke came in with the
So what's the problem
if it comes down to walking arm in arm with white supremacy for a check then don't be shocked at the pushback.
not seeing how any of this is walking arm in arm with white supremacy
that and Africa and her diaspora will have nothing to do with ws falling...
wearing an American flag probably being the biggest one.
the fact ADOS leaves out that they are descendants of enslaved Africans would be the bigger thing, but I'm just pointing out the obvious