When the African American church is to African to attend. (dafuq)

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I was looking for articles on the interpretation of the "black church" as "African village". A position I believe was originally put forth by W. E. B. Du Bois. In the process I came across this article below of Rev. Dr. Emmanuel Y. Lartey who is from Ghana. The article opened with a woman from the continent not wanting to attend his predominately AA church cause it was to African or "pagan".

I'm sitting here like what kinda shyt is that ...anyway thought I'd share

Rev. Dr. Emmanuel Y. Lartey
PhD, The University of Birmingham (England), 1984
BA Hons., University of Ghana, Legon, 1978

 

[get these nets]

I was looking for articles on the interpretation of the "black church" as "African village". A position I believe was originally put forth by W. E. B. Du Bois. In the process I came across this article below of Rev. Dr. Emmanuel Y. Lartey who is from Ghana. The article opened with a woman from the continent not wanting to attend his predominately AA church cause it was to African or "pagan".

I'm sitting here like what kinda shyt is that ...anyway thought I'd share

Isn't that sort of a misleading interpretation of what she expressed? She pretty much said that it reminded her of traditional practices of her home environment.
Black (protestant)church in America has a longer history than Christian churches in most of West Africa. It was able to evolve and grow outside of white control, so some denominations and systems retained several ethnic practices retained by the enslaved Africans.

Missionaries introduced and controlled many of the new African christian churches. A lot of syncretism occured....merging traditional practices with western christian traditions, despite missionaries teaching people that their old ways were wrong. But missionaries were able to convince many that their traditional views,practices, and rituals ran contrary to Christianity.

Had this woman attended a different AA church, or one under a different AA denomination, it might have been more in tune with how she feels comfortable worshipping. I grew up in COGIC, but attended different denomination , and nondenomination churches and the practices in Black churches are NOT the same.

 

[Brer Dog]

My cousin had that same feeling (a more positive one though) when we took her to church while she was visiting. She practices Pocomania and said it reminded her of that.

Isn't that sort of a misleading interpretation of what she expressed? She pretty much said that it reminded her of traditional practices of her home environment.

Are you forgetting the part about her being uncomfortable there and thinking she'd been "liberated" from that type of stuff?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

..basically, she came from/went to a church that lacked Africanisms in Ghana......they probably had a church that was very European in worship that repudiated all things "African" stemming from Europe's/missionary influence. Middle Class or black elite ADOS churches have historically done this too...overt "Africanisms" were considered improper for worship and heathenish lol but in the non-elite churches, the Africanisms were standard practice.

 

[invalid]

And there’s a thread on the front page of TLR right now of a poster who was just convinced from YouTube videos that black Americans did not come from Africa.

Everything from our religion to our foodways and our music has a direct link back to Africa.

 

[The Fade]

Guess that ends the debate about not having culture

 

[invalid]

Middle Class or black elite ADOS churches have historically done this too

She woulda showed up at this elite black church in Atlanta and been like wtf?

 

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She woulda showed up at this elite black church in Atlanta and been like wtf?

That went into a completely different zone than expected bruh LOL!!

I was like.....
Oh this some Catholic church type get down ....wait what are they wearing ......[Music Hits] oh thangs just went left ...[white priest pops up] nikka what is going on!?

 

[invalid]

That went into a completely different zone than expected bruh LOL!!

I was like.....
Oh this some Catholic church type get down ....wait what are they wearing ......[Music Hits] oh thangs just went left ...[white priest pops up] nikka what is going on!?

Lol. Their actual priest is black. Morehouse man. He was nominated to become the first black Bishop of Atlanta, so had to leave his church to preside over Atlanta’s Cathedral.

That was most likely an African Diaspora day during Black History Month. We had similar services at the church I grew up at in Chicago.

To Illmatics point, our regular services were like the below video. This is St. Phillips in Harlem, another high class church in NYC.



St. Phillips, along with many other black Anglican/Episcopal churches, including my own, attract a number of West Indian and West African parishioners because the high Catholicism is what they’re used to back in their home countries, many of them former British or French colonies.

But churches like this are foreign to many black Americans who are use to the more charismatic exuberant churches even though black episcopal churches were the first churches to be established in the black community along with the AME church via Absalom Jones and Richard Allen.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lol. Their actual priest is black. Morehouse man. He was nominated to become the first black Bishop of Atlanta, so had to leave his church to preside over Atlanta’s Cathedral.

That was most likely an African Diaspora day during Black History Month. We had similar services at the church I grew up at in Chicago.

To Illmatics point, our regular services were like the below video. This is St. Phillips in Harlem, another high class church in NYC.



St. Phillips, along with many other black Anglican/Episcopal churches, including my own, attract a number of West Indian and West African parishioners because the high Catholicism is what they’re used to back in their home countries, many of them former British or French colonies.

But churches like this are foreign to many black Americans who are use to the more charismatic exuberant churches even though black episcopal churches were the first churches to be established in the black community along with the AME church via Absalom Jones and Richard Allen.

Yeah, I was thinking that was probably some type of Pan-African event because African drumming and hand clapping would've got the back in the day in a church like that

 

[invalid]

Yeah, I was thinking that was probably some type of Pan-African event because African drumming and hand clapping would've got the back in the day in a church like that

Yeah many of those changes happened in the late 80’s early 90’s.

At my church, during the 80’s, they tried introducing the Lift Every Voice and Sing (LEVAS) hymnal that has all of the old negro spirituals and there was a civil war and 1/3 of the parishioners left.

In the St. Phillips video, both of the songs they sing are from LEVAS. Prior to the 80’s they would not have sung those songs in our church or St. Phillips, let alone any African songs.

But things have changed and it’s normal now. We even had praise dancers for the first time like four years ago at a program. People liked it. They haven’t been back though.

 

[skylove4]

Damn that’s some of the most fukked up self-hating shyt I’ve heard in a while. That heifer said “liberated in Christ” yup liberated away from your people smh

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yeah many of those changes happened in the late 80’s early 90’s.

At my church, during the 80’s, they tried introducing the Lift Every Voice and Sing (LEVAS) hymnal that has all of the old negro spirituals and there was a civil war and 1/3 of the parishioners left.

In the St. Phillips video, both of the songs they sing are from LEVAS. Prior to the 80’s they would not have sung those songs in our church or St. Phillips, let alone any African songs.

But things have changed and it’s normal now. We even had praise dancers for the first time like four years ago at a program. People liked it. They haven’t been back though.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And there’s a thread on the front page of TLR right now of a poster who was just convinced from YouTube videos that black Americans did not come from Africa.

I missed this post. You got a link to that thread?

 

[Samori Toure]

A lot of African American Churches have a heavy mixture of Islam and it was all mixed together with the Protestant teachings during the Great Awakening, which had a lot of Quaker and Methodist teachings of the Abolitionists. So all of that stuff was mixed together.

Christianity pushed on Africans in the forest belt regions of Nigeria, Ivory Coast and Ghana was designed to control the masses to assist in colonization. So that was all about , which is bizarre because the Europeans didn’t even bother trying to proselytize the Muslims that lived in the Sahel, however they empowered the Muslims in governance rather than their newly converted Christians.