When you break it down its really New York and New Yorks responsibility alone to be lyrical.

[Still Benefited]

The early emcees role was NOT to be lyrical. Their battle was who could get the crowd the most hype,who had the loudest sound. Then they created a culture of competetion over who was the best lyricist.


So lyricism is actually a subgenre of emceeing,not a requirement. But its really only ever been a sub genre in New York. The emcee who could get the crowd most energized,who had the loudest sound/beats for the speakers has been a constant in every other region. The competetion of who could be the most lyrical didnt really come to fruition anywhere else in mass.


And really if you judge emcees off who gets the crowd the most energized FIRST. Then off who has the best beats,then off of lyricism,you would probably get decent goat rankings. My unbias list based on this criteria


1.2Pac
2.Biggie
3.Ice Cube
4.LL Cool J
5.DMX
6.Jay-Z
7.Nas
8.T.I
9.Kendrick
10.Jeezy

 

[pointproven214]

The early emcees role was NOT to be lyrical. Their battle was who could get the crowd the most hype,who had the loudest sound. Then they created a culture of competetion over who was the best lyricist.


So lyricism is actually a subgenre of emceeing,not a requirement. But its really only ever been a sub genre in New York. The emcee who could get the crowd most energized,who had the loudest sound/beats for the speakers has been a constant in every other region. The competetion of who could be the most lyrical didnt really come to fruition anywhere else in mass.


And really if you judge emcees off who gets the crowd the most energized FIRST. Then off who has the best beats,then off of lyricism,you would probably get decent goat rankings. My unbias list based on this criteria


1.2Pac
2.Biggie
3.Ice Cube
4.LL Cool J
5.DMX
6.Jay-Z
7.Nas
8.T.I
9.Kendrick
10.Jeezy

being the most technically sound is not a requirement but your not a goat unless u are imo.

so this definitely does not make any sense imo.

and all the musicians u named are technically sound lmao

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

so many things wrong with this thread im not even going to try to respond to most of them.

but just going off this ridiculous criteria, where the fukk is pimp c on the list

 

[Ashtrey]

KRS should be on that list.

 

[pointproven214]

so many things wrong with this thread im not even going to try to respond to most of them.

but just going off this ridiculous criteria, where the fukk is pimp c on the list

this thread is bullshyt makes no sense imo.

 

[Still Benefited]

being the most technically sound is not a requirement but your not a goat unless u are imo.

so this definitely does not make any sense imo.

and all the musicians u named are technically sound lmao

But i think this list proves judging goats in this way gives you a list thats more representative of what the national consensus could agree on. All of these guys also have another thing in common. At their peaks they got love nationally on every coast.


Also the list is top heavy,but just outside the top 10 the list of guys who were "sound" at both or excellent at one shrinks. So you would start to see guys like Future who does one at an extremely high level,overtake a guy like Rakim. This would be more representative of the nation.

 

[010101]

nikkas should just quit rapping all together then

nothing is more moving than a beautiful singing voice right¿

without lyricism there is literally nothing to admire about a nikka rapping

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[pointproven214]

But i think this list proves judging goats in this way gives you a list thats more representative of what the national consensus could agree on. All of these guys also have another thing in common. At their peaks they got love nationally on every coast.


Also the list is top heavy,but just outside the top 10 the list of guys who were "sound" at both or excellent at one shrinks. So you would start to see guys like Future who does one at an extremely high level,overtake a guy like Rakim. This would be more representative of the nation.

no because not everybody list is the same which is my point.

 

[Still Benefited]

so many things wrong with this thread im not even going to try to respond to most of them.

but just going off this ridiculous criteria, where the fukk is pimp c on the list

Pimp C isnt known for getting crowds hype,and damn sure not for lyricism.

KRS should be on that list.

Can KRS control a crowd anywhere? Thats why Jay-Z and Nas are so low. From my experience people are kind of iffy on both in that criteria. I dont think they getting the average nikka in the midwest or south hype unless they love lyricism. The ones i listed before them have styles that resonate better outside the east. Plus the beats? Not really for me. I think hes an outside the top 10 guys.

 

[Still Benefited]

no because not everybody list is the same which is my point.

Of course not,but im giving you the criteria for making the most culturally relevant list with the least bias. Its right there on a silver platter.

 

[pointproven214]

Pimp C isnt known for getting crowds hype,and damn sure not for lyricism.




Can KRS control a crowd anywhere? Thats why Jay-Z and Nas are so low. From my experience people are kind of iffy on both in that criteria. I dont think they getting the average nikka in the midwest or south hype unless they love lyricism. The ones i listed before them have styles that resonate better outside the east. Plus the beats? Not really for me. I think hes an outside the top 10 guys.

pimp c is definitely a lyricist imo

 

[Still Benefited]

nikkas should just quit rapping all together then

nothing is more moving than a beautiful singing voice right¿

without lyricism there is literally nothing to admire about a nikka rapping

*

Being a wordsmith doesnt necessarily make you lyrical. Having a way with words is admirable though. Some of my favorites fit that criteria. My own top 10 doesnt look like this list at all. But im what im telling yall is if tap had analytics,this criteria would give you the most accurate rankings.

 

[Still Benefited]

pimp c is definitely a lyricist imo

He has a way with words,wouldnt call him a lyricist though. But most of my personal list have those type of guys ranked higher than "technical lyricst". I prefer guys that are saying something,more than i admire technical ability.

 

[010101]

Being a wordsmith doesnt necessarily make you lyrical. Having a way with words is admirable though. Some of my favorites fit that criteria. My own top 10 doesnt look like this list at all. But im what im telling yall is if tap had analytics,this criteria would give you the most accurate rankings.

going by your analytics rap is a waste of time

rappers don't register in the realm of vocalist

the only thing that hip-hop/rap has to it's credit for real is the largest vocabulary of all genres

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[Still Benefited]

going by your analytics rap is a waste of time

rappers don't register in the realm of vocalist

the only thing that hip-hop/rap has to it's credit for real is the largest vocabulary of all genres

*

Britney Spears is a vocalist,doesnt mean shes respected. Why? Because her lyrics arent moving crowds emotionally. Theres rappers who some would consider wack like Boosie who have that over her.