Whites trashed Neanderthals until learning they're related to them

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We are forever chasing our origins.

When we can’t find what we want in the present, we go back, and back further still, until there, at the dawn of time, we imagine we’ve found it. In the gloomy mists of the past, having squeezed ourselves back into the womb of humanity, we take a good look. Here it is, we say with satisfaction. Here is the root of our difference.

Once upon a time, scientists were convinced that Aboriginal Australians were further down the evolutionary ladder from other humans, perhaps closer to Neanderthals. In 2010 it turned out that Europeans are actually likely to have the most drops of Neanderthal blood, metaphorically speaking. In January 2014 an international team of leading archaeologists, geneticists, and anthropologists confirmed that humans outside Africa had bred with Neanderthals. Those of European and Asian ancestry have a very small but tangible presence of this now-extinct human in our lineage, up to around 4 percent of our DNA. People in Asia and Australia also bear traces of another known archaic human, the Denisovans. There is likely to have been breeding with other kinds of human as well. Neanderthals and Denisovans, too, mated with each other. Many in the deep past, it seems, were pretty indiscriminate in their sexual partnerships.



“We’re more complex than we initially thought,” explains John Shea. “We initially thought there was either a lot of interbreeding or no interbreeding, and the truth is between those goalposts somewhere.”

The discovery had important consequences. It raked up a controversial, somewhat marginalized scientific theory that had been doing the rounds a few decades earlier. In April 1992 an article had been published in Scientific American magazine with the incendiary title “The Multiregional Evolution of Humans.” The authors were Alan Thorne, a celebrity Australian anthropologist, who died in 2012, and Milford Wolpoff, a cheery anthropologist based at the University of Michigan, where he still works today. They hypothesized that there was something deeper to human difference, that perhaps we hadn’t all come out of Africa as fully modern humans after all.

Although this notion had been mooted before, for Wolpoff, this idea became cemented in the seventies. “I traveled and I looked, I traveled and I looked, I traveled and I looked,” he tells me. “And what I noticed was that in different regions, big regions—Europe, China, Australia, that is what I mean by regions, not small places—in different regions, it seemed to me there was a lot of similarity in fossils.” That is, they were “similar” in their difference: “They weren’t the same and they all were evolving.”

Svante Pääbo, the director of the genetics department at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, in Leipzig, Germany, who spearheaded some of the research that led to the discoveries of ancient interbreeding in the first place, was among those to marshal efforts to compare the genomes of Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, in the search for what differs as well as what is present in both. And this was accompanied by plenty of speculation from others. In 2018 a set of researchers in Switzerland and Germany suggested that Neanderthals actually had quite “sophisticated cultural behavior,” prompting one British archaeologist to wonder whether “they were a lot more refined than previously thought.” An archaeologist in Spain claimed that modern humans and Neanderthals must have been “cognitively indistinguishable.” A few even raised the possibility that Neanderthals could have been capable of symbolic thought, pointing to freshly discovered cave markings in Spain that appear to predate the arrival of modern humans (the finding failed to convince Benjamin Smith).
 
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“Neanderthals are romanticized,” John Shea tells me. They’re no longer around, and we don’t have a great deal of evidence about what they were like or how they lived, which means they can be whatever we want them to be. “We’re free to project good qualities, things we admire, and the ideal on them.” In reality, whatever they were like, he says, “The interbreeding thing is more like a symbolic thing for us than it is of evolutionary consequence.”

Yet researchers haven’t been able to help themselves from looking for evolutionary consequences. One team of scientists claimed that the tiny peppering of Neanderthal DNA may have given Europeans different immune systems from Africans. Another published paper linked Neanderthal DNA to a whole host of human differences, including “skin tone and hair color, height, sleeping patterns, mood, and smoking status.” An American research group went so far as to try to link the amount of Neanderthal DNA people have with the shape of their brain, implying that non-Africans may have some mental differences from Africans as a result of their interbreeding ancestors.
 
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For more than a century the word “Neanderthal” had been synonymous with low intelligence. In the space of a decade, once the genetic link to modern Europeans was suspected, that all changed. In the popular press, there was a flurry of excitement about our hitherto undervalued relatives. Headlines proclaimed that “we haven’t been giving Neanderthals enough credit” (Popular Science), that they “were too smart for their own good” (The Telegraph), that “humans didn’t outsmart the Neanderthals” (Washington Post). Meanwhile a piece in the New Yorker whimsically reflected on their apparent everyday similarity to humans, including the finding that they may have suffered from psoriasis. Poor things, they even itched like us. “With each new discovery, the distance between them and us seems to narrow,” wrote the author. In the popular imagination, the family tree had gained a new member.

In January 2017 the New York Times ran a story headlined “Neanderthals Were People, Too” and asked, “Why did science get them so wrong?” This was indeed the big question. If the definition of “people” had always included archaic humans, then why should Neanderthals so suddenly and so generously be accepted as “people” now? And not just accepted, but elevated to the celebrity status of sadly deceased genius cousin? It wasn’t all that long ago that scientists had been reluctant to accept the full humanity even of Aboriginal Australians. Gail Beck’s family had been denied their culture; treated in their own nation as unworthy of survival; their children ripped from their parents to be abused by strangers. In the nineteenth century Aboriginal Australians had been lumped together with Neanderthals as evolutionary dead ends, both destined for extinction. But now that common ground had been found between Europeans and Neanderthals, now we were all people! Now we had found our common ground!


If it had turned out that Aboriginal Australians were the ones to possess that tiny bit of Neanderthal ancestry instead of white people of European descent, would our Neanderthal cousins have found themselves quite so remarkably reformed? Would they have been welcomed with such warm hugs? It’s hard not to see the public and scientific acceptance of Neanderthals as “people like us” as another manifestation of the Enlightenment habit of casting humanity in the European image. In this case Neanderthals have been drawn into the circle of humankind by virtue of being just a little related to Europeans—forgetting that a century ago, it was their supposed resemblance to indigenous Australians that helped cast the latter, actual living human beings, out of the circle.
 
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TL;DR = non-white folks just can't accept that modern man comes from Africa and that the modern human dominated all other prehistoric humanoids.

We were smaller, had better language skills and made them obsolete.

Deep down, Asians and whites think they're inherently "smarter" and better than us so having that little 3% Neanderthal DNA (Asians actually have more Neanderthal blood than whites)...they think THAT is what separates us.

Ignoring the fact our pure homo sapien blood is what ended up winning out. Otherwise there'd be a bunch of Neanderthals and Denisovans walking around instead of Modern Humans. We're the roots, trunk and big branches of the tree while everyone else comes from one of the twigs.
 

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@IsThatBrothaMouzone? Both sides of the argument are silly, there is not enough dna for it to be consequential to either us being the trunk of your metaphoric tree or them having imaginary genetic superiority.

Furthermore, black people on the Western hemisphere and (to a lesser extent )Africans in colonial hubs also have those neanderthal gene sets due to generations of both voluntary-intermarrying and rape; which further obfuscates the issue. the whole Neanderthal vs pure-homosapien thing was always a weird flex to me. :hubie:

Meanwhile a piece in the New Yorker whimsically reflected on their apparent everyday similarity to humans, including the finding that they may have suffered from psoriasis. Poor things, they even itched like us.
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Neanderthals had bigger brain capacity on average than modern homo sapiens and nowadays white racist use it to explain why they're winning.

Or why asians do so well academically

Bigger brain but less wrinkles. Big brain doesn't make you smart. The folds do.

Neanderthal brain was bigger to accommodate better vision and smell....like an animal.

Our brain had more wrinkles and shyt so we are smarter, better communicators and working as a team. That's why brehs can just come up with shyt off the top of our heads.
 

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Neanderthals had bigger brain capacity on average than modern homo sapiens and nowadays white racist use it to explain why they're winning.

Or why asians do so well academically
basically anyone can spin their myth to suit themselves.

if Neanderthals were much more advanced they wouldn't have died out and been replaced. we are the purest humans on earth as per these studies

we can also write our own myths to suit us.
 
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Bigger brain but less wrinkles. Big brain doesn't make you smart. The folds do.

Neanderthal brain was bigger to accommodate better vision and smell....like an animal.

Our brain had more wrinkles and shyt so we are smarter, better communicators and working as a team. That's why brehs can just come up with shyt off the top of our heads.
thats probably true but do we even have a neathanderthal brain in complete condition to compare?

I'm assuming if we have frozen wolly mammoths and then theres probably a few of them out there
 

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Bigger brain but less wrinkles. Big brain doesn't make you smart. The folds do.

Neanderthal brain was bigger to accommodate better vision and smell....like an animal.

Our brain had more wrinkles and shyt so we are smarter, better communicators and working as a team. That's why brehs can just come up with shyt off the top of our heads.
I’m lil flip the freestyle king :ohhh:

Whiteboys ain’t freestyling shyt, besides Eminem
 
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thats probably true but do we even have a neathanderthal brain in complete condition to compare?

I'm assuming if we have frozen wolly mammoths and then theres probably a few of them out there

We know that Neanderthals either didn't have a hyoid bone or a really small one based on skeletons they have discovered.

The hyoid bone affects how you sound and the actual sounds a person can make with their voice. Based on this, I read that Neanderthals would have had VERY high pitched voices..even the men...and wouldn't have been as effective at communicating.
 
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