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They’re very different.
"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread
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No they don't overlap. Burks can shoot, handle, and create his own shot. Hart does none of that. Coast to coast drives off rebounds don't equal shot creation. That's his entire offensive bag. And those drives aren't even highly successful. He's not a great finisher, handles weaker than RJ, and he'll often try to make a jump pass off one of these that will end up in a turnover cuz he had no idea where the ball should go once he was in the air. Hart can continue to do exactly what he does while IQ and AB do what they used to.
KP should start. TF?? Mitch can either go in trade or to the bench. He can make all the Twitter noise he likes, it won't help him. Same for IHart. KP's health is no more questionable than Mitch's. But he'll bring far more when he's available. I give a shyt about his contract as I won't be paying it. If they can figure it out and don't wanna move on from Julius, I'm
on it. Is it something I've been clamoring for since seasons end? No. I don't know shyt about who's available and how much they make. I saw it floated in a post here...and say hey...thats not bad. Dass all dass it
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Not role wise on the Knicks they aren’t. Burks is a glue man because he can act as a secondary creator/passer, and does too Hart.
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We need established shooting but not from the center position and it’s not a bad idea for Thibs to get him a few shots a game to establish it better going forward.
There is a difference between being able to do something and being able to do something well, if Burks could do the shyt you think he could on a high enough level for it to matter why did he suck so much ass when he was put into the PG position for the Knicks in 2021 and told to do those exact things?*Sigh*
No they don't overlap. Burks can shoot, handle, and create his own shot. Hart does none of that. Coast to coast drives off rebounds don't equal shot creation. That's his entire offensive bag. And those drives aren't even highly successful. He's not a great finisher, handles weaker than RJ, and he'll often try to make a jump pass off one of these that will end up in a turnover cuz he had no idea where the ball should go once he was in the air. Hart can continue to do exactly what he does while IQ and AB do what they used to.
KP should start. TF?? Mitch can either go in trade or to the bench. He can make all the Twitter noise he likes, it won't help him. Same for IHart. KP's health is no more questionable than Mitch's. But he'll bring far more when he's available. I give a shyt about his contract as I won't be paying it. If they can figure it out and don't wanna move on from Julius, I'm
Burks like Hart are secondary creators, they aren’t collapsing the paint consistently with their self creation. No team is game planning how to stop them from getting to the rim. Just because Burks can drive into the paint doesn’t mean he can operate as a high level scorer there or PnR ball handler. The best he looked this season was playing with Ivey who is a primary self creator (though he is a SG imo). Ivey would drive and pass to Burks knowing he could make a second pass to the open man or shoot the three. Maybe you say Burks and IQ overlap, but it took a while but IQ can get his with floaters and pull ups in the paint.
I don’t even trust Burks to consistently create his own shot on the 3 pt line under pressure either. He’s great at catch and shooting, and maybe you grab him with the MLE, but I don’t know why when we have Burks who while not providing the shooting is better at being a glue offensive piece, a better defender, and a better rebounder.
Bench trio of IQ, Burks, and Hart only needs the opposing defense to stop IQ and shyt would begin to fall apart. If either Brunson gets injured or IQ the bench would be fukked again too. The Knicks need to find someone to replace Rose’s production, not Burks.
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Not role wise on the Knicks they aren’t. Burks is a glue man because he can act as a secondary creator/passer, and does too Hart.
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We need established shooting but not from the center position and it’s not a bad idea for Thibs to get him a few shots a game to establish it better going forward.
There is a difference between beating able to do something and being able to do something well, if Burks could do the shyt you think he could on a high enough level for it to matter why did he suck so much ass when he was put into the PG position for the Knicks in 2021 and told to do those exact things?
Burks like Hart are secondary creators, they aren’t collapsing the paint consistently with their self creation. No team is game planning how to stop them from getting to the rim. Just because Burks can drive into the paint doesn’t mean he can operate as a high level scorer there or PnR ball handler. The best he looked this season was playing with Ivey who is a primary self creator (though he is a SG imo). Ivey would drive and pass to Burks knowing he could make a second pass to the open man or shoot the three. Maybe you say Burks and IQ overlap, but it took a while but IQ can get his with floaters and pull ups in the paint.
I don’t even trust Burks to consistently create his own shot on the 3 pt line under pressure either. He’s great at catch and shooting, and maybe you grab him with the MLE, but I don’t know why when we have Burks who while not providing the shooting is better at being a glue offensive piece, a better defender, and a better rebounder.
Bench trio of IQ, Burks, and Hart only needs the opposing defense to stop IQ and shyt would begin to fall apart. If either Brunson gets injured or IQ the bench would be fukked again too. The Knicks need to find someone to replace Rose’s production, not Burks.
Good Lawd. I said Burks can handle, shoot, and create his own shot. Your reply was "How come he sucked ass a PG then??"
Geezus. Cuz he's not a PG fam. You know that. What I don't know is why I keep entertaining you? Slow day at work I guess.
Hart isn't a secondary creator! Who did he create for?? He is a good rebounding wing. A good defender. Decent at getting downhill on a straight path to the rim. Please don't make him have to change directions tho! He needs to work on his mid range game so he can be offensively respectable. He is a glue guy for intangibles. He and Burks are not the same and they don't do the same things. AT ALL. They are built similarly maybe that's confusing you. Hart/IQ/Burks would be a dope perimeter trio to bring off the bench. Knock it off.
Eh… the only concern is is he better than RJ and the answer is a resounding yes. My only pause is that the Celtics have had locker room issues for the longest time and I’m starting to think he’s part of the problem.
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Nope, Hart is a grab and go guy not a secondary half court playmaker. Hart can play the 2, 3, and undersized 4. Burks can play the 1, 2, and 3 and he can be a strong off-ball shooter or shot creator.Not role wise on the Knicks they aren’t. Burks is a glue man because he can act as a secondary creator/passer, and does too Hart.
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We need established shooting but not from the center position and it’s not a bad idea for Thibs to get him a few shots a game to establish it better going forward.
There is a difference between being able to do something and being able to do something well, if Burks could do the shyt you think he could on a high enough level for it to matter why did he suck so much ass when he was put into the PG position for the Knicks in 2021 and told to do those exact things?
Burks like Hart are secondary creators, they aren’t collapsing the paint consistently with their self creation. No team is game planning how to stop them from getting to the rim. Just because Burks can drive into the paint doesn’t mean he can operate as a high level scorer there or PnR ball handler. The best he looked this season was playing with Ivey who is a primary self creator (though he is a SG imo). Ivey would drive and pass to Burks knowing he could make a second pass to the open man or shoot the three. Maybe you say Burks and IQ overlap, but it took a while but IQ can get his with floaters and pull ups in the paint.
I don’t even trust Burks to consistently create his own shot on the 3 pt line under pressure either. He’s great at catch and shooting, and maybe you grab him with the MLE, but I don’t know why when we have Burks who while not providing the shooting is better at being a glue offensive piece, a better defender, and a better rebounder.
Bench trio of IQ, Burks, and Hart only needs the opposing defense to stop IQ and shyt would begin to fall apart. If either Brunson gets injured or IQ the bench would be fukked again too. The Knicks need to find someone to replace Rose’s production, not Burks.
We could use shooting from the center position. Why else are you advocating for Hartenstein to shoot? Our frontcourt is non-shooters and sometimes shooters. RJ and Randle aren’t going anywhere. A guy like Porzingis would be nice to spread the floor, unclog the paint, while offering rim protection. He’s rangy and commands attention from deep. We tried the Hartenstein stretch 5 thing maybe next year he makes more threes but this year it was ineffective and it wasn’t worth the possessions it was taking up.
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Burks played a lil 1 in Utah throughout his tenure there. That’s not something Thibs pulled out his ass.
Good Lawd. I said Burks can handle, shoot, and create his own shot. Your reply was "How come he sucked ass a PG then??"
Geezus. Cuz he's not a PG fam. You know that. What I don't know is why I keep entertaining you? Slow day at work I guess.
Hart isn't a secondary creator! Who did he create for?? He is a good rebounding wing. A good defender. Decent at getting downhill on a straight path to the rim. Please don't make him have to change directions tho! He needs to work on his mid range game so he can be offensively respectable. He is a glue guy for intangibles. He and Burks are not the same and they don't do the same things. AT ALL. They are built similarly maybe that's confusing you. Hart/IQ/Burks would be a dope perimeter trio to bring off the bench. Knock it off.
Besides the point was for Burks to provide spacing. He wasn’t the actual point guard. Randle was the point forward.
Hart and Burks are completely different. Hart/IQ/Burks would be a dope bench trio.
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Burks and KP?
fukk outta here with that
Making that face for Burks is wild disingenuous breh and you know it.
The man was great for us if it wasn’t for Thibs overplaying him at the one.
We have some good problems.
We were the youngest team in the semis.
Nice contracts.
And pieces.
We were the youngest team in the semis.
Nice contracts.
And pieces.
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If IQ is injured or they stop him defensively, or he just has a bad night. Who between Burks and Hart keeps the offense going if Brunson is sitting?
Let’s say IQ is in then if Brunson is injured and they move IQ to a starter position. Who between Burks and Hart can get a bucket when the defense stall the offense?
I fukks with IQ but there is a reason RJ was mixed with the bench crew? Brunson playing 48 minutes in a playoff game hit the nail on the head the bench has no one who can break down a defense. Burks isn’t who you want to rely on to do it either.
Hart/IQ/Burks is not Rose/IQ/Burks. It’s a lazy retread to fixing the Knicks needs and doesn’t give it any opportunities to add another layer to itself so it can be a more versatile offense.
I think the KP idea is bad because of his character and injury past. However, at least KP would give the team something new to throw at teams as it tries to improve. However, he is injury prone and in my opinion having a good year because he is motivated to get a new deal before the bytchassness comes back out.
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Bro we need a bucket getting lead guard to run with IQ on the bench backcourt. Every year IQ becomes a more versatile combo guard but we saw him struggle during the playoffs because he’s a great combo guard that needs to be next to an attacking guard. There is a reason he looked so great next to Maxey in college and Rose in the league. He had a lead guard to play off of and then come in and switch spots if the defense overloaded on either Maxey or Rose. The Knicks have helped make his game more dimensional but he still isn’t a lead guard who can come in and handle the defense focusing on shutting him down first.
Good Lawd. I said Burks can handle, shoot, and create his own shot. Your reply was "How come he sucked ass a PG then??"
Geezus. Cuz he's not a PG fam. You know that. What I don't know is why I keep entertaining you? Slow day at work I guess.
Hart isn't a secondary creator! Who did he create for?? He is a good rebounding wing. A good defender. Decent at getting downhill on a straight path to the rim. Please don't make him have to change directions tho! He needs to work on his mid range game so he can be offensively respectable. He is a glue guy for intangibles. He and Burks are not the same and they don't do the same things. AT ALL. They are built similarly maybe that's confusing you. Hart/IQ/Burks would be a dope perimeter trio to bring off the bench. Knock it off.
If Rose was 2021 Rose I think this team wins that Heat series or at least takes it to 7. I can’t say the same if IQ was healthy because he was struggling with a zone defensive that Rose use to just grind through.
Peep rose vs a zone defense
I don’t think IQ or Burks game is made for breaking the zone down and get other people open. Now if we didn’t have Hart, Burks would be great to bring back, to have as an outlet for that attacking lead guard. Both Burkes and Hart are going to act as a secondary/tertiary distributor. However, we do have Hart (in theory) and IQ. Regardless between those two we need someone to draw in the offense, attack the rim (and actually be able to get to the rim) and shoot. That’s not Burks game.
Burks vs. zone defense
Here is a Burks facing a zone defense heavy Raptors. Peep how much he eats playing off ball and gets assist by making the secondary pass.
That isn’t what the Knicks need to get to another level. The shooting is nice to stretch the floor, and we could debate Burks vs. Hart, but it ain’t going to work with Burks & Hart.
The Knicks got to get someone who breaks zone defenses down by being an all around threat offensively from outside and in. They can bet on it being IQ, but if he can’t they are going to be in a tough position going forward if the guys around him on multi year contracts are Hart and Burks. Eventually they would have to trade someone because that bench offense will struggle whenever IQ can’t get hot.
Ideally you get a lead guard like Rose in there and IQ is always enough of a threat they can’t overload the defense on them and Hart acts as a rebounder/defender/tertiary wing. For example, I don’t think the plan last year was to get Ivey or Brunson. The Knicks wanted to come into the season with both, because they needed what both brough with the starters and the bench.
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U overthinking it.If IQ is injured or they stop him defensively, or he just has a bad night. Who between Burks and Hart keeps the offense going if Brunson is sitting?
Let’s say IQ is in then if Brunson is injured and they move IQ to a starter position. Who between Burks and Hart can get a bucket when the defense stall the offense?
I fukks with IQ but there is a reason RJ was mixed with the bench crew? Brunson playing 48 minutes in a playoff game hit the nail on the head the bench has no one who can break down a defense. Burks isn’t who you want to rely on to do it either.
Hart/IQ/Burks is not Rose/IQ/Burks. It’s a lazy retread to fixing the Knicks needs and doesn’t give it any opportunities to add another layer to itself so it can be a more versatile offense.
I think the KP idea is bad because of his character and injury past. However, at least KP would give the team something new to throw at teams as it tries to improve. However, he is injury prone and in my opinion having a good year because he is motivated to get a new deal before the bytchassness comes back out.
Most teams don't have those luxuries you're even speaking of.
Where we even finding another D-Rose. D-Rose was our best player period that year.
The Knicks need shooting. Burks has familiarity and was a positive on both ends for us and just a solid ass vet all around. He is instant offense and a 40% 3PT roughly his last 4 seasons in the league not only that he would likely come at a value.
