Who should be allowed to be self-interested?

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@JahFocus CS dinged @88m3 for being a Zionist. To which I have to ask, why? What are the parameters that allow someone to be self-interested?

 

[BaggerofTea]

@JahFocus CS dinged @88m3 for being a Zionist. To which I have to ask, why? What are the parameters that allow someone to be self-interested?

There is a difference between cooperating in order to satisfy one's own interests and engaging in the use of force and domination to satisfy one's own interests.

 

[JahFocus CS]

I thought the thread was going to be about you equating Zionism and Black nationalism

The way this thread is framed means you think that 88 is a Jewish cac, which I would agree with, but other posters are saying he is Black.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I thought the thread was going to be about you equating Zionism and Black nationalism

The way this thread is framed means you think that 88 is a Jewish cac, which I would agree with, but other posters are saying he is Black.

I see two self interested groups. Being self interested is separate from being racist, which I think a lot of people try to conflate. We don't have to hold others down to lift people up.

And yea @88m3 is definitely not black. I don't know what picture @Broke Wave saw. I went to private school and grew up surrounded by white people and still have all the bass in my voice.

 

[88m3]

I see two self interested groups. Being self interested is separate from being racist, which I think a lot of people try to conflate. We don't have to hold others down to lift people up.

And yea @88m3 is definitely not black. I don't know what picture @Broke Wave saw. I went to private school and grew up surrounded by white people and still have all the bass in my voice.

I am black. Grow up.

 

[Broke Wave]

I see two self interested groups. Being self interested is separate from being racist, which I think a lot of people try to conflate. We don't have to hold others down to lift people up.

And yea @88m3 is definitely not black. I don't know what picture @Broke Wave saw. I went to private school and grew up surrounded by white people and still have all the bass in my voice.

He is black. I saw his picture. I don't even think that Zionism is the issue anymore that's an old debate. A group being "self interested" at the expense of stealing another peoples land and subjugating them is not the same as a group trying to get out of the shackles of systematic oppression.

 

[88m3]

I'm not a Zionist either for what it's worth.

 

[Broke Wave]

I'm not a Zionist either for what it's worth.

You are pretty terrible when it comes to this issue. Whenever Israel does its bi-annual slaughter in Gaza, you are among the top 3 cheerleaders and deflectors for Israel. You are the same as the people who blame Black on Black crime for the innocent murder of Black men by police. That's how brazen your defense of Israel killing children or bombing schools is.

 

[Scholar]

There's a difference between self interest, trying to get a seat a the table, and domination.

 

[88m3]

You are pretty terrible when it comes to this issue. Whenever Israel does its bi-annual slaughter in Gaza, you are among the top 3 cheerleaders and deflectors for Israel. You are the same as the people who blame Black on Black crime for the innocent murder of Black men by police. That's how brazen your defense of Israel killing children or bombing schools is.

For the most part I just got fed up of all the rampant anti semitic articles and posts here and on sohh. Both sides in the conflict are deeply flawed and that's not a copout. Black people in America are wantonly brutalized by the state/police solely based on their race not because of a civil war or any hostile actions towards "them"(white America).

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

He is black. I saw his picture. I don't even think that Zionism is the issue anymore that's an old debate. A group being "self interested" at the expense of stealing another peoples land and subjugating them is not the same as a group trying to get out of the shackles of systematic oppression.

That's more than fair. I'll eat that L

Both sides in the conflict are deeply flawed and that's not a copout.

You only go hard on one side though

 

[BocaRear]

For the most part I just got fed up of all the rampant anti semitic articles and posts here and on sohh. Both sides in the conflict are deeply flawed and that's not a copout. Black people in America are wantonly brutalized by the state/police solely based on their race not because of a civil war or any hostile actions towards "them"(white America).

There's no "both sides are flawed" moral high ground when one nation is being given billions a year to use chemical weapons on civilians and their justification is they're gods chosen people.

 

[ill]

There's no "both sides are flawed" moral high ground when one nation is being given billions a year to use chemical weapons on civilians and their justification is they're gods chosen people.

Palestine gets those same billions. KHamas just chooses to spend it on tunnels, arms, and enriching themselves.

 

[BocaRear]

Palestine gets those same billions. KHamas just chooses to spend it on tunnels, arms, and enriching themselves.

U.S., Israel sign $38 billion military aid package

It's nowhere near the same ball park

And perhaps there wouldn't be a need to build tunnels if there wasn't an active blockade on commodities

 

[88m3]

You only go hard on one side though

That's untrue.