Why are black poor Americans more optimistic than white ones?

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America has seen a dramatic increase in the number of so-called “deaths of despair”. Caused by opioid addiction, alcohol or drug overdose and suicide, these deaths have hit middle-aged white people without a college education particularly hard. The trend is extensive enough to have driven up the overall mortality rate, with the U.S. in the unusual position of being a rich country where life expectancy is falling rather than going up.

Amid all this is a perhaps unexpected reality—the people who are most optimistic about their future are the most disadvantaged: poor black Americans, who are even slightly more optimistic than rich black people. And by poor, we mean a household of four earning less than $24,000 (£16,800) per year, which is effectively the official U.S. poverty line.

Very different outlooks are revealed when black and white people are asked about their wellbeing. To measure the differences, we use an 11-point scale, where 0 is desperate and 10 is very optimistic.


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On this scale, black people are, on average, 1.1 points higher on the optimism scale than white people are. Black people on average score above 8, while the average for white people is 7.

The gap across poor black people and poor white people is even larger, at 1.4 points. That is a significant gulf—greater than the difference between rich and poor people, which is 0.6 points. The average score for rich people is 7.5, while for poor people it is 6.9.

The starkest disparity is found in the detail that poor black people are almost three times as likely to be a point higher on the optimism scale than poor white people. And poor black people are half as likely to report experiencing stress the previous day than poor white people.

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Desperation, stress, and worry are closely linked to a greater risk of premature death, regardless of income or race. People with low levels of optimism and high levels of stress and worry are more likely to die from deaths of despair, or to live in areas with high levels of such deaths. The link is strongest for poor white people without a college education, especially those who live in rural areas.

Of course, this relationship can run both ways. Desperation can lead to premature death, but living in an area where many such deaths occur can itself be a potential cause of lack of hope, stress, and worry.

The link between optimism and longevity is strong. Among Americans born between 1935 and 1945, those who reported higher levels of optimism as young adults were much more likely to be alive in 2015 than less optimistic people. We found that 86 percent of pessimists died by 2015, while only 77 percent of the optimists did.

The explanations for these trends are complex, but economics and ambition play a part. For many years, blue-collar white people had some advantages over minorities, but they are now among the most disaffected parts of society and the most vulnerable to deaths of despair. Crucially, they are much more likely to report that their lives are worse than those of their parents and, in terms of stable employment and status, that is often the case.

In contrast, black and Hispanic people are more likely to report that their lives are better than their parents’ lives. While disadvantage and discrimination still exist, minorities have been making gradual progress in narrowing gaps with white people in terms of their education, wages, and life expectancy. Some of this is because of concrete gains made by those communities. But much of the improvement is due to the relative decline in the incomes and status of poor white people—a trend associated with the hollowing-out of blue-collar jobs, which are decreasing in both number and stability at the same time as the market for high-skilled labor continues to prosper and grow.

The health implications of this have been particularly serious. White people without a college education are much more likely to die prematurely of preventable deaths than any other group. They also report more pain, stress, and anger than other parts of society.

Another factor appears to be higher levels of resilience among poor minorities. For example, black and Hispanic people are much less likely than white people to report depression or commit suicide. Some of this may be due to resilience built up over generations of hardship—as seen in many poor countries. Informal safety nets may also play a role—such as the community surrounding black churches and extended Hispanic families.

However, this does not mean that poor black people are entirely happy with their situation. Despite reporting high levels of optimism, this group was much less likely to report feeling safe in their neighborhoods, or to be satisfied with their financial situations, than their white counterparts.

There are also gaps in what we know about resilience—in particular how optimism varies between different places. For example, after adjusting for differences such as education and employment, the minority groups with the highest levels of optimism and the lowest levels of stress in the U.S. are in the southern states.

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This may seem surprising, as these same places have a historical association with racism and still have extensive poverty and poor health. Yet they also have a strong sense of black culture and community: factors that are difficult to measure but undoubtedly important. It is a picture similar to the strong sense of community and culture that helps explain why Latin Americans report higher levels of happiness than those in regions with comparable or higher incomes.

A better understanding of resilience may be as important as a greater insight into the causes of desperation. It might also be that we could learn a great deal from better monitoring of wellbeing and the health of society. Other countries, including the U.K., regularly track wellbeing, with life satisfaction, smiling, stress, and a sense of purpose in life all included among annual statistics. Routinely collecting such figures in the U.S. could be a simple first step towards better understanding where things have gone wrong for some parts of society and why some people are so much more optimistic than others.

Why are black poor Americans more optimistic than white ones?
 

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They don't feel the same sense of alienation as poor whites and I think there is likely a greater sense of community that poor whites don't have I suppose. Interestingly the BBC had a documentary on death rates of white males and they went to Montana and spoke to a bunch of white people there (not all poor) but they all had this rugged individualism mindset up in the mountains and felt lonely and depressed when it didn't turn out so great.
Here is an excerpt and at 12:39 this dude says "things have changed, if I am not the boss who am I? If my boss is a Muslim woman what does that mean" I don't think poor minorities feel that same need for what some researchers call social dominance orientation, they see the landscape changing from a society set up to engage with them to a pluralistic one where their needs are not front and center.
 

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Because we've had to make due with less from the inception of this world. We've been trying to make a dollar out fifteen cents since forever, strap that shyt on our back and we hustle. Others, will just simply whine about not having the other eighty-five cents.
 

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They don't feel the same sense of alienation as poor whites and I think there is likely a greater sense of community that poor whites don't have I suppose. Interestingly the BBC had a documentary on death rates of white males and they went to Montana and spoke to a bunch of white people there (not all poor) but they all had this rugged individualism mindset up in the mountains and felt lonely and depressed when it didn't turn out so great.
Here is an excerpt and at 12:39 this dude says "things have changed, if I am not the boss who am I? If my boss is a Muslim woman what does that mean" I don't think poor minorities feel that same need for what some researchers call social dominance orientation, they see the landscape changing from a society set up to engage with them to a pluralistic one where their needs are not front and center.

Yeah, the collective spirit of African Americans or African immigrant communities would be the cause of the higher optimism...
 

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blacks are used to being told to wait and hope, and the ones who refuse to do that tend to end up dead or in prison.

whites are used to people in power actually listening to them and trying to solve some of their problems, so when problems dont get solved, they know something is very wrong.
 

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Although it is beneficial that the optimism undermines the potential risk of self-harm/suicide, irrational optimism may have an impact on short term financial decision making which subsequently may impact the long term outcomes.
 

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Yeah, the collective spirit of African Americans or African immigrant communities would be the cause of the higher optimism...
We're a more tightly knit communal people. We generally band together (though through contra-agents introducing concepts like all this HYON shyt like Sowell try and destroy that), white America is vastly more individualist than the average black person. So really this demonstrates that people are inherently more fulfilled and driven when given communal and collectivist structures. :ehh:
 
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