Why aren't we protesting the Criminal Justice system? Who's ready to start?

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I'm not sure where or how I was immature at any point in that post, but I'm really not concerned with validating your record. If you've made things happen in Illinois? Perfect, hopefully you can help build the movement here. If you're just a regular guy that's interested, then you're just as welcome and wanted. This isn't a contest to see who is more "real", it's an attempt to finally start confronting this issue on a national level.

your whole post was immature...you asked me to define real when it was obvious what I meant. Anyone that's participated in a real social movement knows what it means to organize a movement, conduct infrapolitics, and then promote objectives to coalesce the group into a centrally focused movement. That's what real is. Second, real is that you are knowledgeable of how racial capitalism works and is sustained so that you can produce real transformative social capital, which is creating counterhegemonic strategies...Are you familiar with Aldon Morris' work on social movements and Alaine Touraine's social movement theory? because that's what I do: i create and sustain movements against racial capitalist oppression; some are successful, some are not, be we always display real agency...so have you read alot on how to conduct social movements? Are you knowledgeable enough on how the prison industrial complex works? if yes, then we can talk more...if not, hit the books, then we can get it going
 

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your whole post was immature...you asked me to define real when it was obvious what I meant. Anyone that's participated in a real social movement knows what it means to organize a movement, conduct infrapolitics, and then promote objectives to coalesce the group into a centrally focused movement. That's what real is. Second, real is that you are knowledgeable of how racial capitalism works and is sustained so that you can produce real transformative social capital, which is creating counterhegemonic strategies...Are you familiar with Aldon Morris' work on social movements and Alaine Touraine's social movement theory? because that's what I do: i create and sustain movements against racial capitalist oppression; some are successful, some are not, be we always display real agency...so have you read alot on how to conduct social movements? Are you knowledgeable enough on how the prison industrial complex works? if yes, then we can talk more...if not, hit the books, then we can get it going


All you said was, "As long as you are down for real social movements, then I'm down."-- I don't know how you expect anyone to gather everything else you just said from that or why you'd be upset in them asking. That being said, it's nothing to read up on some things lol. If that's your issue and you feel they're pertinent to making this a reality then cool, fill me in. You're beefing with the wrong person though. My question for you is do you or do you not feel something needs to happen nationwide?
 

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All you said was, "As long as you are down for real social movements, then I'm down."-- I don't know how you expect anyone to gather everything else you just said from that or why you'd be upset in them asking. That being said, it's nothing to read up on some things lol. If that's your issue and you feel they're pertinent to making this a reality then cool, fill me in. You're beefing with the wrong person though. My question for you is do you or do you not feel something needs to happen nationwide?

Nationwide? breh there cannot be anything nationwide until local grassroots movements spring up; the resistance starts at the local level. If you know your Black Freedom Movement history, you know the working class people started the resistance in almost every instance of counterhegemony. Until that happens, we cannot coalesce a nationwide movement
 

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Nationwide? breh there cannot be anything nationwide until local grassroots movements spring up; the resistance starts at the local level. If you know your Black Freedom Movement history, you know the working class people started the resistance in almost every instance of counterhegemony. Until that happens, we cannot coalesce a nationwide movement

I'm encouraging people through social media to start grassroots demonstrations in their area. No different from Occupy and/or the Tea Party.
 

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I'm encouraging people through social media to start grassroots demonstrations in their area. No different from Occupy and/or the Tea Party.

Social media is not the way to do it. You need to go into the black working class communities, hold meetings, go door to door and pass out info, etc. Social media should be used yes, but its not the primary strategy these days...its too entrenched in racial capitalism to be the organizing force..that's why Occupy was a joke...it was middle class hipsters who had no true aligned objectives...shyt was a joke.
 

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good luck if you're Sirius,but protesting is a waste of energy,thee NWO agenda is already set in stone,they're not going to waver cause of any social movement..see the Occupy Movement for further proof

then again,like Dr.King said all protest is really just catharsis,so if it makes you feel better then by all means..

what i was alluding to in my last post is waiting for thee coming apocalypse for any REAL change..
 

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breh...

i and others i know grew up in the hood and have managed to both avoid jail and crack....at some point people have to take responsibility for their actions and lives

sure im aware that disadvantages exist....but cats do have choices
What was ur home situation like growing up?
 

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If you know your Black Freedom Movement history, you know the working class people started the resistance in almost every instance of counterhegemony.....
Would u cite specific instances of what u are referring to in this post?
 

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Would u cite specific instances of what u are referring to in this post?

The 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott was planned and operated by the working class people, but the SCLC appointed speakers and representatives that were from church elite...Jo Ann Robinson, who was the Blueprint behind the Bus Boycott said this in her autobiography.

When the white citizens council were killing people to resist the Brown Decision, working class people like Robert F. Williams in Durham organized powerful self-help violence groups in the community to stop whites from lynching blacks across the city. My work will describe other narratives like this.

Hassan Jeffries, one of my former classmates, great book "Bloody Lowndes: Civil RIghts and Black Power in Alabama's Black Belt" shows the working class blacks in Lowndes County organizing a successful political group that would take power away from whites, which upset the middle class blacks who thought it would hurt overall movement if whites lost power...the middle class wanted co-optation.

Joe Trotter's Black Milwaukee shows all this in the Pre-Civil Rights Era in Milwaukee...the black workers fought vigorously hard to resist racial capitalism in the industries...

Check the League of Black Revolutionary Workers' films that were put out in the 1970s; they actually made a documentary that shows there protest and resistance to middle class and white unionism that sought to silence them.

The New York school district that was taken over by blacks in the 1970s was mainly supported by the working class neighborhoods; although the city gave the school district back to whites after the experiment, it showed that black autonomy worked to getting education back in the community's hands; the black children were learning about themselves, and developing great pride.

Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, you name the city, you will find that the black freedom movement was in the black working class community, but passive, Middle Class Civil Rights groups like the NAACP, SCLC, and CORE tried to take the autonomy away from black workers. There are so many stories about this in black newspapers; class struggle was a major component of the Black Freedom Movement and the black Liberation Struggle as a whole in this country. My research and work is detailed the workers' ability and willingness to organize themselves and lead the fight against oppression. In fact, evidence in newspapers, documents, and interviews suggests that CRM groups sought to marginalize the working class, which is why the heart of the CRM died...they were too concerned with creating an integrationist, multiracial utopianism, so they made black grassroots agency an afterthought; they did this to appeal to white middle class elites and white politicians like kennedy;

Aldon Morris's powerful and groundbreaking work, the Origins of the Civil Rights Movement, shows how the working class people were the heart of the Civil Rights Era, the Black Power Era, and my work will pick up after the Black power Era fades...
 

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I'm not going to fight for nikkas that smoke their crack, and brehs that move that dope.

Put down the pipe and/or stop pumping that heroin and you wouldn't fall victim to the game:manny:

breh...

i and others i know grew up in the hood and have managed to both avoid jail and crack....at some point people have to take responsibility for their actions and lives

sure im aware that disadvantages exist....but cats do have choices




Wow. Are y'all aware that Blacks are sentenced more harshly then Whites committing the same crimes with the same criminal history? Did you know that the "War on Drugs" focuses more on drugs that Black people are likely to take?


This isn't an accident. They're funneling young able-bodied Black youth in to the for-profit prison industry. And y'all are just going to co-sign it?
 

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breh...

i and others i know grew up in the hood and have managed to both avoid jail and crack....at some point people have to take responsibility for their actions and lives

sure im aware that disadvantages exist....but cats do have choices

Good for you, but lemme ask you, would you want your kids to grow up in a community with those evils in them?

If it's solely about choices, then it shouldn't matter, right?

Of course not. If you got any money, you have or would get your children as far away from those temptations as possible, because you know and I know that even if you have good parents and make good choices, the hood can take you under.

keep waiting for them to do that..

Who's waiting?
 
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