Why do coli posters keep thinking that records sales mean something in 2015? Stop with this archaic

[CrimsonTider]

Thinking.

In so many threads I see @Rapmastermind and a plethora of others talking about somebody flopped, or somebody did well with an album based on sales in 2015.

Albums are just used for promotion. Its a way to create a cycle where you can be in the public eye and generate tour interest.

There are no labels that depend on records sales to meet budgets or make or break their bottom-lines in 2015. You also have to factor in that it is cheaper than ever to make albums (No more super producers, No more outrageous charges for features)

The money is in touring, singles and appearances. Albums are needed to have a catalog of music to perform.

One of the most reliable forms of streaming music is live music — in 2014, the concert industry in North America was valued at $6.2 billion, though the figure is likely much larger than that, since many festivals don’t report earnings. The most confounding quirk in the psyche of music consumers is that many people are more willing to pay to hear a song played live once than to hear a recorded version as many times as they wish./QUOTE]

It’s now accepted wisdom that few artists can make their living from album sales. Instead, records are viewed as commercials for an artist’s brand, with an eye toward monetizing in the form of tours, merchandizing, licensing deals, and so on

 

[STEVE]

In my musical world of punk/hardcore if you can sell 1000 copies of a physical vinyl release in less than six months you're one of the biggest bands in the country

 

[KEEPITTRILLA]

i found troy ave yall

 

[CrimsonTider]

In my musical world of punk/hardcore if you can sell 1000 copies of a physical vinyl release in less than six months you're one of the biggest bands in the country

this is rap

i found troy ave yall

None of this qualifies for Troy ave.

He's not hot enough for this convo.

 

[phatphuck]

not just 2015, its been happening for decades already

 

[GzUp]

If it doesn't matter now then it never really mattered.

I feel that it never did.

 

[DrexlersFade]

Just some bullshyt Stans use to say someone is better but be quick to call something or someone else

Muthafukkas are so hypocritical and dumb

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Thinking.

In so many threads I see @Rapmastermind and a plethora of others talking about somebody flopped, or somebody did well with an album based on sales in 2015.

Albums are just used for promotion. Its a way to create a cycle where you can be in the public eye and generate tour interest.

There are no labels that depend on records sales to meet budgets or make or break their bottom-lines in 2015. You also have to factor in that it is cheaper than ever to make albums (No more super producers, No more outrageous charges for features)

The money is in touring, singles and appearances. Albums are needed to have a catalog of music to perform.

so what is your point?

that cole, kendrick and drake's sales mean nothing because no one else can match them

or that everyone's sales mean nothing, because they can't sell as high as those 3?



we can't give praise when dudes going gold in a week or two... then turn around and say it doesn't matter when a nikka selling 30k total.


that does tell you something... and it does speak to what type of payment you can expect on those tours you're talking about.. record companies still rely on numbers for things like you ever getting a release date, or a second release, or how big your tour will be, or how big your budget will be, or how well your single is doing on radio


you're talking about basically a loan, and saying record companies just ignore numbers surrounding it.... nah



now if you want to say, sales mean nothing to art... then yea ok... but to say it doesn't matter to the artist or the label... nah.

 

[Buckeye Fever]

If it means nothing to the label, it must mean that artist is signed to a 360 deal or some shyt

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

This thread will probably do low numbers

 

[intilectual recipricol]

cuz illmatic bricked hard when everyone was goin plat

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Sales only come into play when a fan of artist would like to defend his/her favorite artist current relevancy in music or mainstream impact.

Can't really blame rap fans for that though because it was something that the artist use to brag about when it was easy to go platinum.

50, Jay, diddy and I'm sure others have bragged about numbers endlessly In the past but with YouTube and other streams now being counted it doesn't really hold that much weight anymore. The same could be said about billboard which also now counts YouTube views.

Young thug flopping though was funny

 

[Sad Bunny]

well the best rapper of the last era sold the most records .. Lil Wayne ... and the best rapper of this era is selling the most records which is drake

Nicki is the GOAT female rapper, and she has sold most records too

so I don't understand what you're saying because Eminem Jay Z and Nas and Tupac also a lot of records to and biggie and those are the greatest rappers ever

 

[L. Deezy]

Troy Ave brought me here

 

[CrimsonTider]

so what is your point?

that cole, kendrick and drake's sales mean nothing because no one else can match them

or that everyone's sales mean nothing, because they can't sell as high as those 3?



we can't give praise when dudes going gold in a week or two... then turn around and say it doesn't matter when a nikka selling 30k total.


that does tell you something... and it does speak to what type of payment you can expect on those tours you're talking about.. record companies still rely on numbers for things like you ever getting a release date, or a second release, or how big your tour will be, or how big your budget will be, or how well your single is doing on radio


you're talking about basically a loan, and saying record companies just ignore numbers surrounding it.... nah



now if you want to say, sales mean nothing to art... then yea ok... but to say it doesn't matter to the artist or the label... nah.

For example, Fab "young og" sold 70,000 copies and people were praising the numbers

That 70,000 isn't doing much for anyone's bottom line.

Yeah, Cole and Drake sale a lot of record but you think the labels are depending on just them to make money and not everyone else

Record sales drop of every year and that trend has been going on for quite sometime

I'm saying that record labels do not care about sales they care about sales they have found other revenue sources and artist are very successful these days with lackluster sales

well the best rapper of the last era sold the most records .. Lil Wayne ... and the best rapper of this era is selling the most records which is drake

Nicki is the GOAT female rapper, and she has sold most records too

so I don't understand what you're saying because Eminem Jay Z and Nas and Tupac also a lot of records to and biggie and those are the greatest rappers ever

What I'm saying is that if in 2015 the music industry depended on record sales there would be no such thing as a music industry

But the music industry is thriving, the reason is because there are so many other ways artist can make money now

Take for example Future, his last album flopped in Coli terms but he is one of the hottest rappers in hiphop right now as is touring everywhere, plus his streaming numbers are probably enormous

Future is making money for the labels with a "flopped" album