Why Pay Off Your Student Loans if the Government Will Do It for You?

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It used to be that we could blame colleges for failing to control their costs. But for the past decade or so, college costs have actually grown in line with the median household income, and the “origination” of new student loans has slowed down a little. The reason we haven’t seen a similar slowdown in overall student debt is that borrowers are making less progress on their loans. And a lot of the time they’re doing it on purpose — because they participate in programs that were dramatically expanded during the Obama years, and that forgive debt entirely so long as the borrower first makes small payments for a set period of time.

But the report also points to another factor that would seem to have a lot of explanatory power, especially when it comes to those with the highest debts: the still-growing popularity of “income-based repayment” (IBR) and similar programs, which were overhauled and dramatically expanded during the Obama years. Under these programs, students can make small payments for a decade or two, often not even covering the interest on their loans, and have the entire debt forgiven at the end.

This is not necessarily a bad idea in principle, but — as Jason Delisle has noted previously in this space — the programs were structured in a way that encouraged their abuse by people with incredibly high debt levels, especially from graduate studies rather than two- or four-year degrees. As Delisle wrote,

Under current law, anyone who takes out a federal student loan today can enroll in IBR and have his payments fixed at 10 percent of his income, less an exemption of $18,700 (which increases with household size). . . . Then, after 20 years of payments (or only ten years for those working in any government or non-profit job), all of the remaining balance is forgiven, no matter how high it is.

He further points out, that, using the Department of Education’s own debt calculator, someone with $80,000 in debt and an income of $60,000 could receive $62,000 in debt forgiveness if he works for the government. Someone with $150,000 in debt and a $75,000 salary could pay for 20 years and still receive $82,000, more than half the initial balance. Meanwhile, as noted in the Moody’s report, the median amount borrowed is just about $17–18,000.

The Moody’s report further demonstrates that income-based programs are, indeed, highly attractive to people with big debts: “Only 5% of the total balances of borrowers who owe less than $5,000 are covered by [income-driven repayment programs]. Meanwhile, 53% of the balances of borrowers who owe more than $200,000 are in IDR programs.” And unsurprisingly, heavy borrowers have a disproportionate impact on student loans in general: Folks who borrow $20,000 or less represent 55 percent of borrowers but only 14 percent of the overall debt.

Student-Loan Repayment Programs: Obama-Era Reforms Have Unintended Consequences for Taxpayers | National Review

Erasing student debt would be a small stimulus but would create a 'moral hazard,' Moody's says
 

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We just need to forgive all student loans this shyt is retarded. I routinely see people who have been making minimum payments for 10 years and their balances have actually increased because of interest. Had a lady the other day with 180k in student loans making like $3,000 a month.
 

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We just need to forgive all student loans this shyt is retarded. I routinely see people who have been making minimum payments for 10 years and their balances have actually increased because of interest. Had a lady the other day with 180k in student loans making like $3,000 a month.

The only tweak I'd make is to make it so that large debt holders have to at least pay the amount borrowed (government and non-profits exempt).

For ex.

A person with $200K in debt, that gets a job that pays $100K a year, would pay $81K - $162K based on the current program.

They should pay back the full $200K.

That lady you're talking about has to take the L, imo
 

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The only tweak I'd make is to make it so that large debt holders have to at least pay the amount borrowed (government and non-profits exempt).

For ex.

A person with $200K in debt, that gets a job that pays $100K a year, would pay $81K - $162K based on the current program.

They should pay back the full $200K.

That lady you're talking about has to take the L, imo
The middle class has suffered enough. All they tried to do was get an education and better themselves and what is the reward? A lifetime of debt that you can’t even discharge in a bankruptcy with no guarantee you’ll be able to pay it back. Many people made these financial decisions that have lifelong ramifications at the age of 18. It’s just so wrong. I understand people not liking the idea of someone being released from a financial obligation that they willingly agreed to but I think the benefits far outweigh the consequences
 

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We just need to forgive all student loans this shyt is retarded. I routinely see people who have been making minimum payments for 10 years and their balances have actually increased because of interest. Had a lady the other day with 180k in student loans making like $3,000 a month.
this is why we need to kill the interest on loans, existing and going forward. that solution actually solves the problem and covers the whole group, plus the future

think about it, say they forgive student loans. the fukk does that even mean for the kids who graduate in the future? :dahell: serious question that no one has answered

my friends little brother has been living at home for 3 years and paying 2 grand a month to get rid of them. pocahontas better cut him a fukkin check back if she just forgives everyone elses :yeshrug:
 

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this is why we need to kill the interest on loans, existing and going forward. that solution actually solves the problem and covers the whole group, plus the future

think about it, say they forgive student loans. the fukk does that even mean for the kids who graduate in the future? :dahell: serious question that no one has answered

my friends little brother has been living at home for 3 years and paying 2 grand a month to get rid of them. pocahontas better cut him a fukkin check back if she just forgives everyone elses :yeshrug:
This is a very common story, it’s why home ownership is down, it’s what people end up owning a home at a much later age, it’s why people are delaying having kids and starting a family. I’m sorry for people who have already paid but we should cancel all existing student debt. People need to stop being selfish and getting jealous of people getting their debt relieved. It’s the same reason people get upset over fast food workers protesting for higher pay. “I work at so and so and I only make this much! Why do burger flippers deserve more?” This mindset Is narcissistic and short sighted, yet understandable. I’d like to see people get as incensed over the 1% receiving billions in tax cuts.
 

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The middle class has suffered enough. All they tried to do was get an education and better themselves and what is the reward? A lifetime of debt that you can’t even discharge in a bankruptcy with no guarantee you’ll be able to pay it back. Many people made these financial decisions that have lifelong ramifications at the age of 18. It’s just so wrong. I understand people not liking the idea of someone being released from a financial obligation that they willingly agreed to but I think the benefits far outweigh the consequences

I disagree.

The only reason that I might be OK with it is because we bailed out Wall Street. But even they supposedly paid us back.

The average person doesn't owe that much in debt. In these programs, they'll be freed in 10 or 20 years. I don't like the idea of letting people who unnecessarily borrowed a large amount of money off the hook.
 

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I disagree.

The only reason that I might be OK with it is because we bailed out Wall Street. But even they supposedly paid us back.

The average person doesn't owe that much in debt. In these programs, they'll be freed in 10 or 20 years. I don't like the idea of letting people who unnecessarily borrowed a large amount of money off the hook.
Would you be okay with it if student loan debt was dischargable through bankruptcy like any other debt is and that’s the route people went?
 

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think about it, say they forgive student loans. the fukk does that even mean for the kids who graduate in the future? :dahell:
Because forgive student debt is theibetal equivalent of cut taxes.

It's almost never coupled with overhauling the system and merely serves as red meat for the base.
 

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this is why we need to kill the interest on loans, existing and going forward. that solution actually solves the problem and covers the whole group, plus the future

think about it, say they forgive student loans. the fukk does that even mean for the kids who graduate in the future? :dahell: serious question that no one has answered

my friends little brother has been living at home for 3 years and paying 2 grand a month to get rid of them. pocahontas better cut him a fukkin check back if she just forgives everyone elses :yeshrug:
Um...this is like saying why should we provide a health treatment for free if someone else had to pay for theirs. They never should have had to, and what happened to them is how we learned and fixed it. Moreover, that kid benefits from his kids getting to go to school for free in the future.
 

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This is a very common story, it’s why home ownership is down, it’s what people end up owning a home at a much later age, it’s why people are delaying having kids and starting a family. I’m sorry for people who have already paid but we should cancel all existing student debt. People need to stop being selfish and getting jealous of people getting their debt relieved. It’s the same reason people get upset over fast food workers protesting for higher pay. “I work at so and so and I only make this much! Why do burger flippers deserve more?” This mindset Is narcissistic and short sighted, yet understandable. I’d like to see people get as incensed over the 1% receiving billions in tax cuts.
tax cuts arent the same thing :yeshrug: they have to generate that revenue for it to be cut in the first place. im all for raising taxes on the 1% and forcing more income equality, but lets not be dishonest about it
Um...this is like saying why should we provide a health treatment for free if someone else had to pay for theirs. They never should have had to, and what happened to them is how we learned and fixed it. Moreover, that kid benefits from his kids getting to go to school for free in the future.
yo...you should have to pay to go to college :dahell: you're making an investment in an education, as opposed to someone who just goes through high school. that's the fukking point. i'm all for controlling it, like i said, revert all loans to 0% interest and kill the interest that's in the loan. it IS a problem that needs to be addressed and adjusted, but the solution has to be viable for current and future generations

applying a blanket "you're all paid off" is a fukking retarded solution that's blatantly unfair to not only people with current debt, but people who chose not to go to college because they couldnt afford it, or people who sacrificed their hard earned money and overpaid on their loans. and again...what is the "then what" in your scenario? :dead: what does forgiving current debt mean to today's 15 year olds?
 
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