why should i care that Drake has a ghostwriter.

[The God Poster]

breh i agree on everybody else not being respected as great rappers but Foxy Brown can spit but she had help from Hov, and she is almost all time on every female rapper's top ten list. i'm not under 16 at all i'm a college aged student. and i'm not a cac, i'm half Black and half Hispanic(Puerto Rican/Dominican).

How many females known rappers are there
She on by default. And you will never hear me give respect to her as a MC

 

[Raheem95]

man real shyt i'm about to stop listening Hip Hop and start listening to Jazz, Soul,Dancehall/Reggae and Rock music. rap is taken too serious and shyt for me to fukk with it anymore. let me go bump some Al Green.

 

[Taadow]

everybody who is a Drake fan is freaking out over that bullshyt smh

nikka through the years of Hip Hop alot of people used ghostwriters but not that many people found out about it. Big Bank Hank(R.I.P.) stole lyrics from Grandmaster Caz for the song, Rapper's Delight. Lil Kim first album was entirely written by Biggie and the Hitmen(Stevie J and them), the only part Lil Kim did was to say girly/sexy shyt. even Cam'ron wrote a verse for Lil Kim or Lil Cease for the song Crush On You on that album. Jay wrote some verses for Foxy Brown, for their collabs or for Ill Na Na. Nas wrote Miami or Get Jiggy With It for Will Smith, the D.O.C., Snoop, RBX, and Tha Dogg Pound wrote The Chronic for Dr. Dre. Ma$e and Biggie wrote the majority of Diddy's first album with The Hitmen. the point is nikkas will use ghostwriters regardless so fans shouldn't be tripping over that dumb ass shyt.

There's a million ways to respond to this:

A) You don't have to care. Not at all.
...but wait - you do care, because it makes you feel some way about how "Drake fans" are feeling.
Who cares how they feel if that isn't how you feel? Ask yourself that...

B) As you say "not that many people found out about it". Why?
Why wouldn't people find out about it?
Could it be that things like that are hidden because the artist themselves care about perception
of their artistry?

C) Now, your examples:
- The MOMENT it was known en masse that Hank took Caz's rhymes, he was lambasted.

- Kim and Foxy's rhymes was written (early), we knew this.
We didn't trip because they was kickin' "I'm the baddest bytch, I got on furs and VVS cut" rhymes,
not "i'll serve any MC that wanna battle" rhymes. They weren't claiming to be top shelf MCs.
Same thought for Dre, Will, and Puffy. They weren't comin' like that.
(Puffy is still SCUST for "I'll Be Missing You" though. That is TOP SHELF wack.)
Plus the fact that they never made it secret that other people were writing their rhymes.

D) We're living in a time where folks are getting nominated for "lyricist of the year"
and chit like that and they aren't lyricizing (just made that up). Fucc that chit.

 

[Taadow]

Foxy brown ain't no top 10. Kim and Foxy are more recognized for having mainstream success as female rappers which was a breakthrough at the time. People will name foxy out of ignorance of not knowing other female rappers.

Real talk.

I love Missy Elliott, yo. And all things considered, she's a top-10 female rapper...but if you walk up on somebody
and ask them what's the first Missy Elliott line that pops into your head, chances are strong it might be one of these:

"Beep beep, who got the keys to the Jeep? vroooooooom"
"1, 2 check it out - follow follow me, many many many miles"
"This the kinda beat that go BA TA TA, BA TA TA TATATATA TA TAAA"

now them ain't that hot.

...but at least she was writing them.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

He usin ghost flows to and ghost adlibs nikkas really debatin this

 

[L. Deezy]

everybody who is a Drake fan is freaking out over that bullshyt smh

nikka through the years of Hip Hop alot of people used ghostwriters but not that many people found out about it. Big Bank Hank(R.I.P.) stole lyrics from Grandmaster Caz for the song, Rapper's Delight. Lil Kim first album was entirely written by Biggie and the Hitmen(Stevie J and them), the only part Lil Kim did was to say girly/sexy shyt. even Cam'ron wrote a verse for Lil Kim or Lil Cease for the song Crush On You on that album. Jay wrote some verses for Foxy Brown, for their collabs or for Ill Na Na. Nas wrote Miami or Get Jiggy With It for Will Smith, the D.O.C., Snoop, RBX, and Tha Dogg Pound wrote The Chronic for Dr. Dre. Ma$e and Biggie wrote the majority of Diddy's first album with The Hitmen. the point is nikkas will use ghostwriters regardless so fans shouldn't be tripping over that dumb ass shyt.

None of the people you are naming are considered top 10, best ever.. go sit your little ass down somewhere

 

[L. Deezy]

Drake fans are beyond annoying now...

 

[Juney]

everybody who is a Drake fan is freaking out over that bullshyt smh

nikka through the years of Hip Hop alot of people used ghostwriters but not that many people found out about it. Big Bank Hank(R.I.P.) stole lyrics from Grandmaster Caz for the song, Rapper's Delight. Lil Kim first album was entirely written by Biggie and the Hitmen(Stevie J and them), the only part Lil Kim did was to say girly/sexy shyt. even Cam'ron wrote a verse for Lil Kim or Lil Cease for the song Crush On You on that album. Jay wrote some verses for Foxy Brown, for their collabs or for Ill Na Na. Nas wrote Miami or Get Jiggy With It for Will Smith, the D.O.C., Snoop, RBX, and Tha Dogg Pound wrote The Chronic for Dr. Dre. Ma$e and Biggie wrote the majority of Diddy's first album with The Hitmen. the point is nikkas will use ghostwriters regardless so fans shouldn't be tripping over that dumb ass shyt.

If you're a rapper bragging about being the best, then yeah, I expect that you don't use a ghostwriter. If it's a few songs I'd be disappointed but wouldn't really care too much depending on the song.
But how are you gonna build up that recognition if your talent is in question? Some people made some great points on here about that, I forget who though and I'm not going through all these threads to find out.
Someone said that Drake has all this shyt against him but the one thing that people could support was his talent. If even that is fake, then what's left?

Then again, another poster said fans expect these rappers to have their own labels, do tours, mix tapes, albums, be #1, be super rich, AND write all their own raps? You can't do everything, so I can understand if rappers have ghostwriters even though I don't condone it. Maybe Drake's using ghostwriters but he's also doing big deals with Apple Music.
Wayne on the other hand writes all his verses but he's not savvy on the business side of things because he spends his whole time honing his craft.

For me, an artist of Drake's caliber, if he's been using ghostwriters for multiple songs, not just for concepts or ideas, or hooks, is like being an athlete getting caught using steroids. If it's a couple songs though I dunno. Didn't DJ Quik have G-One write the verses for one of the best disses "Dollars + Sense"?

Snoop though it seems never wrote his best songs. DOC must have been behind the Chronic and albums like Doggystle because when DOC left it seems like the average Snoop verse was rhyming Crip with "trip" "slip" and "dip."
Biggie and 2pac are the GOATS in my eyes because you know they wrote/spit what they were speaking about and it resonates more with the listener because of that fact.

 

[Mac Casper]

If you're a rapper bragging about being the best, then yeah, I expect that you don't use a ghostwriter. If it's a few songs I'd be disappointed but wouldn't really care too much depending on the song.
But how are you gonna build up that recognition if you're talent is in question? Some people made some great points on here about that, I forget who though and I'm not going through all these threads to find out.
Someone said that Drake has all this shyt against him but the one thing that people could support was his talent. If even that is fake, then what's left?

Then again, another poster said fans expect these rappers to have their own labels, do tours, mix tapes, albums, be #1, be super rich, AND write all their own raps? You can't do everything, so I can understand if rappers have ghostwriters even though I don't condone it. Maybe Drake's using ghostwriters but he's also doing big deals with Apple Music.
Wayne on the other hand writes all his verses but he's not savvy on the business side of things because he spends his whole time honing his craft.

For me, an artist of Drake's caliber, if he's been using ghostwriters for multiple songs, not just for concepts or ideas, or hooks, is like being an athlete getting caught using steroids. If it's a couple songs though I dunno. Didn't DJ Quik have G-One write the verses for one of the best disses "Dollars + Sense"?

Snoop though it seems never wrote his best songs. DOC must have been behind the Chronic and albums like Doggystle because when DOC left it seems like the average Snoop verse was rhyming Crip with "trip" "slip" and "dip."
Biggie and 2pac are the GOATS in my eyes because you know they wrote/spit what they were speaking about and it resonates more with the listener because of that fact.

Biggie's not a fukking GOAT, stfu

and when people say "Biggie and Tupac" I know they're idiot sheeple that are hooked on paradigms

 

[Professor Polo]

Bruh

 

[Juney]

Biggie's not a fukking GOAT, stfu

and when people say "Biggie and Tupac" I know they're idiot sheeple that are hooked on paradigms

I don't like the endless Biggie and Tupac pairings either like they were best friends but maybe some people use it because they grew up listening to Hip-Hop during that era. If I would have mentioned one or the other only then someone would still catch feelings saying "shut the fukk up Piggy/Balerina wasn't the GOAT!" I mention both so fans from either camp or either coast can relate to the overall point and still there's someone to nitpick shyt.

 

[Mac Casper]

I don't like the endless Biggie and Tupac pairings either like they were best friends but maybe some people use it because they grew up listening to Hip-Hop during that era. If I would have mentioned one or the other only then someone would still catch feelings saying "shut the fukk up Piggy/Balerina wasn't the GOAT!" I mention both so fans from either camp or either coast can relate to the overall point and still there's someone to nitpick shyt.

they had two separate careers and their paths crossed. I don't wanna hear "Biggie and Tupac" like they were partners in crime that shyt doesn't fly