Why Stacey Abrams and the Dems will *always* lose with Black Men

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Ultimately the issue with Stacy Abrams is she, like most established dems, is pro intersectional politics. Which is inherently incompatible with the desire for succeeding in our patriarchal, capitalistic society.

I think a lot of men, but especially Black men have become hip to the Capitalism game over the past 20 years and realized that the intersectional gangs desire to subvert all patriarchal hierarchies is something that will never succeed in the world of men. All it will yield is moral victories (yay gender neutral bathrooms and gays can get married :blessed: ) but overall, nothing tangible in the capital arms race.

Even worse yet, the other races who are supposedly "on our side" are collectively not actually interested in subverting patriarchy and capitalism. They are able to hide their capitalistic desires behind ethnopride movements (for example latinidad and asian identity) and "wanting to live the American Dream" and no one checks them on it.

They are only invested where their interests align with intersectional virtues (eliminating minority racism, opening borders, creating opportunities to carve out fiefdoms in White Supremacy,) but in terms of creating a full state of equality for all?

Well we saw what happened in LA with the city council. :mjpls:


I think sometimes a lot of fellow Black folks (especially women and left leaning men) are confused as to why so many Black men are adopting views that promote hierarchies, so much so that many Black men are increasingly become right wing or right wing adjacent. The quick answer is that "oh black men just want to be like White Men and have Patriarchy on their side :pacspit:".

While im sure there is a nugget of truth in that, i think its overly reductionist. I think many Black men want better for their community and want to improve it, but dont know of any other way to do it, other than succeeding in capitalism and enforcing patriarchal hierarchies.

Think it of like this:

Imagine you and every other Black person in America are a race car team. For years youve been trying to compete in the race, but have been hindered by sabotage, lack of funding, lack of tools, no real training on driving, maintenance, tactics. shyt, you just got your own car.

But after a few years, you a black man have realized certain denominators for the successful teams. These traits are: Men usually drive. The car HAS to be built a certain way, painted a certain color and driven at a certain speed. Everyone on the team has to have certain jobs and no deviation from this plan is tolerated.

You see the race is getting tight and now is the time. This is the only time in history your team could be in this position. You and the team have to implement this plan. :salute:


Except....as youre trying to implement this plan...the women on the team are saying...wait are we sure youre the best driver? :jbhmm: They think they can drive as well as you. Or wait, the car has to be painted this color? :jbhmm: Or even better, its unethical to even be participating in this race, much less driving the car. We should all be living our truths instead :troll:

*If you havent caught on, in this analogy, the team is the Black community, the car is captalism and the roles are hierarchies. And the women are the shea butter, intersectional feminists girl bosses. Black men are seeing how other groups like the Small Hats, the Naijas, Red Dots, the Orientals, and Mooslums get down and are trying to mimic the common denominators*


Now, imagine youre a black man in this scenario. Wouldnt you be LIVID that they cant see your vision? WOuldnt it be frustrating that you clearly see theres ways to finesse the game, but many in your own community are saying we shouldnt even be playing the game and are offering a alternative that has never succeeded before?

Wouldnt you want to go around like minded people? Even the somewhat detestable ones? After all, at least they know what needs to be done (remember White men are fighting a similar battle with their women/left wing).

This is why the redpill and manosphere are going anywhere. This is why Fem Dems like Abrams and Kamala are doomed to fail. Full buy in and support from the Dems means fully buying into intersectional politics over politics that are hierarchal but get shyt done
 

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This topic is stupid because you arent losing anything when 90% of black men are voting democrat lol.

If 49% of black men vote democrat then you would have a point

I looked at the numbers and the polling has them losing black men by like 5-10% compared to black women (even though both are well above 50%), which is apparently a big enough margin for republicans to win

IDK I think if you vote for republicans or don't vote at all you're legit IQ-deficient, but black people have it hard in this country. Politicians aren't allowed to directly cater to us if they want to win, and some people seriously lack the savvy to understand when stuff caters to us but on the down-low (like Biden forgiving 20k for pell grants).

But whatever. If white supremacist republicans are the big winners I'm making my escape plans. Not going down with this ship

Also we don't really know what's going to happen, there's been a big surge in voting registration from people we haven't seen before like Gen-Z
 

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I looked at the numbers and the polling has them losing black men by like 5-10% compared to black women (even though both are well above 50%), which is apparently a big enough margin for republicans to win

IDK I think if you vote for republicans or don't vote at all you're legit IQ-deficient, but black people have it hard in this country. Politicians aren't allowed to directly cater to us if they want to win, and some people seriously lack the savvy to understand when stuff caters to us but on the down-low (like Biden forgiving 20k for pell grants).

But whatever. If white supremacist republicans are the big winners I'm making my escape plans. Not going down with this ship

Also we don't really know what's going to happen, there's been a big surge in voting registration from people we haven't seen before like Gen-Z
Biden forgiving the 20k for pell grants helped more white people than black people.

There's nothing down-low about that at all. Maybe it fooling people like you into thinking it's some wink nod to black folks was down-low :yeshrug:
 

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I actually think it is less an issue of anything Abrams has done herself and more an issue of things done by people who support her. If suddenly all the Abrams supporters stopped mentioning black men and stopped talking to them, Abrams would have a much better chance of winning. Seriously. She still has to contend with all the other issues you mentioned but she may actually be able to do that. Unless I missed anything, she herself hasn't said much terrible towards black men. The problem is that all her supporters basically undo any good or ground she makes because they are unable to stifle their hatred for black men for even a second. This thread will prove this point in full. The republicans have a gun to their head and they have a chance to put that gun away by simply interacting with black men properly and they can't even do that.
 

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Biden forgiving the 20k for pell grants helped more white people than black people.

There's nothing down-low about that at all. Maybe it fooling people like you into thinking it's some wink nod to black folks was down-low :yeshrug:
Nope. Republicans are literally suing to stop the debt forgiveness because it helps black people more which they are arguing is racist.


the lawsuit cites a White House fact sheet that states the plan will "advance racial equality" and help narrow the racial wealth gap because Black borrowers are more likely to borrow for school and to take out larger loans, and because Black students and other students of color are more likely than white students to qualify for income-based Pell grants.

Pell-based forgiveness would also disproportionately benefit Black borrowers. Because Black households have lower incomes and far less wealth than white households, on average, Black students receive Pell grants at a much higher rate than white students and would be more likely to receive forgiveness under a Pell-based approach.
 

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Of course you did.
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Nope. Republicans are literally suing to stop the debt forgiveness because it helps black people more which they are arguing is racist.

There were literally more white people who received pell grants in college than black people that even attended college fam. We already had this discussion MSNBC mentions Tariq Nasheed by name once again. Free publicity. :snoop:
 

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I looked at the numbers and the polling has them losing black men by like 5-10% compared to black women (even though both are well above 50%), which is apparently a big enough margin for republicans to win

IDK I think if you vote for republicans or don't vote at all you're legit IQ-deficient, but black people have it hard in this country. Politicians aren't allowed to directly cater to us if they want to win, and some people seriously lack the savvy to understand when stuff caters to us but on the down-low (like Biden forgiving 20k for pell grants).

But whatever. If white supremacist republicans are the big winners I'm making my escape plans. Not going down with this ship

Also we don't really know what's going to happen, there's been a big surge in voting registration from people we haven't seen before like Gen-Z
:russ:there no running away from them:mjpls:

The European Union’s top foreign-policy official showed how the colonialist mentality is still very much alive on the continent.


EU foreign-policy chief Josep Borrell said “Europe is a garden,” which is “beautiful” and superior to the vast majority of the countries on Earth. On the other hand, he claimed, “Most of the rest of the world is a jungle, and the jungle could invade the garden.”


Borrell argued that “the world needs Europe,” because it is a “beacon” that must civilize the rest of the world.


The enlightened Western “gardeners have to go to the jungle,” he insisted, because if the supposed barbarians are not tamed, “the rest of the world will invade us.”
Borrell delivered this overtly racist rant at the inauguration of the European Diplomatic Academy in Brussels on October 13.


According to the official transcript, published at the EU website, Borrell said the following:


Europe is a garden. We have built a garden. Everything works. It is the best combination of political freedom, economic prosperity and social cohesion that the humankind has been able to build – the three things together. And here, Bruges is maybe a good representation of beautiful things, intellectual life, wellbeing.
The rest of the world – and you know this very well, Federica – is not exactly a garden. Most of the rest of the world is a jungle, and the jungle could invade the garden. The gardeners should take care of it, but they will not protect the garden by building walls. A nice small garden surrounded by high walls in order to prevent the jungle from coming in is not going to be a solution. Because the jungle has a strong growth capacity, and the wall will never be high enough in order to protect the garden.
The gardeners have to go to the jungle. Europeans have to be much more engaged with the rest of the world. Otherwise, the rest of the world will invade us, by different ways and means.
Yes, this is my most important message: we have to be much more engaged with the rest of the world.

The EU foreign-policy chief failed to mention that, for more than 500 years, European colonialist powers have run the most violent empires in human history, overseeing mass genocides, racialized chattel slavery, ethnic cleansing, and constant wars.


Instead, Borrell continued later in his remarks portraying Europe as a superior “beacon” of civilization:


Believe me, Europe is a good example for many things. The world needs Europe. My experience of travelling around the world is that people look at us as a beacon.
Why [do] so many people come to Europe? Are there flows of illegal or irregular migrants going to Russia? Not many. No, they are coming to Europe but for good reasons.
Keep the garden, be good gardeners. But your duty will not be to take care of the garden itself but [of] the jungle outside.

In the same speech, Borrell claimed Europe is superior because of its “institutions”:


There is a big difference between Europe and the rest of the world – well, the rest of the world, understand me what I mean, no? – is that we have strong institutions. … The big difference between developed and not developed is not the economy, it is institutions.
Here, we have a judiciary – a neutral, independent judiciary. Here, we have systems of distributing the revenue. Here, we have elections that provide a free for the citizens. Here, we have the red lights controlling the traffic, people taking the garbage.

The big difference between us and an important part of the rest of the world is that we have institutions.

Despite his implications, countries across the Global South do indeed have independent judiciaries, tax services, free elections, traffic lights, and garbage collectors. But the EU’s top foreign-policy official apparently believes that the majority of the world’s population consists of illiterate knuckle-dragging cavemen.


Borrell evidently could see that his comments were racist, so he cautiously added, “I cannot go to emerging countries and build institutions for them – they have to be built by them. Otherwise, it would be a kind of neo-colonialism.”


But while he superficially rejected neocolonialism, Borrell’s remarks reflected a blatant neocolonialist mentality.


And the EU foreign-policy chief’s use of the term “emerging countries” made it clear that his rant was aimed specifically at the formerly colonized nations in the Global South.
 
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