1/21
@kepano
OpenAI is now required by court order to preserve all ChatGPT logs including "temporary chats" and API requests that would have been deleted
if I understand this correctly, it means data retention policies for apps that use OpenAI API simply cannot be honored
2/21
@kepano
this is why terms and policies are not self-guaranteeing.
a self-guaranteeing promise about privacy gives you proof that the tool cannot access your data in the first place
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Self-guaranteeing promises
Companies break promises all the time. A self-guaranteeing promise does not require you to trust anyone. You can verify a self-guaranteeing promise yourself.
File over app is a self-guaranteeing promise. If files are in your control, in an open format, you can use those files in another app at any time. Not an export. The exact same files. It’s good practice to test this with any self-proclaimed file-over-app app you use.
Terms and policies are not self-guaranteeing. A company may promise the privacy of your data, but those policies can change at any time. Changes can retroactively affect data you have spent years putting into the tool. A self-guaranteeing promise about privacy gives you proof that the tool cannot access your data in the first place. Examples: Google, Zoom, Dropbox, Tumblr, Slack, Adobe, Figma (see links).
Encoding values into a governance structure is not self-guaranteeing. Given enough motivation, the corporate structure can be reversed. The structure is not in your hands. Example: OpenAI.
Open source alone is not self-guaranteeing. Even open source apps can rely on data that is stuck in databases or in proprietary formats that are difficult to switch away from. Open source is not a reliable safeguard against the biases of venture capital. Examples: Omnivore, Skiff.
When you choose to use a tool, the future of that tool is always ambiguous. On a long enough timeline the substrate changes. Your needs change, the underlying operating system changes, the company goes out of business or gets acquired, better options come along.
It is possible to accept the ambiguousness of a tool's future if you choose tools that make self-guaranteeing promises.
3/21
@kepano
more detail about the court order compelling OpenAI to preserve user logs:
OpenAI slams court order to save all ChatGPT logs, including deleted chats
4/21
@ZekeGeiss
No. You're wrong. I suspect you know this and are just playing it up for clicks so I won't bother elaborating.
5/21
@kepano
take a look here
https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public...cv11195/45?doc_id=X4QMQ7TKORR9N8QO1FQ11KVJI3G
6/21
@EL4Build
@grok what was the reason for the court order?
7/21
@grok
The court order, issued on May 13, 2025, by Judge Ona Wang, requires OpenAI to preserve all ChatGPT logs, including deleted chats, due to a copyright lawsuit by news organizations like The New York Times. They allege OpenAI used their articles without permission to train ChatGPT, competing with their business. The order aims to prevent evidence destruction, as plaintiffs fear users might delete chats to hide paywall bypassing. However, it raises privacy concerns, as retaining data contradicts user expectations and policies like GDPR. OpenAI argues the order is speculative, lacking proof of relevant evidence, and burdens their operations. The case balances intellectual property rights against user privacy.
8/21
@port_man2
@NathanSudds
9/21
@TimSweeneyEpic
This is a wildly overbroad invasion of user privacy by the court.
10/21
@commanderdata85
@AskVenice
11/21
@leonho
Now more reasons to use Local LLMs?
12/21
@mwa_ia
centralized panic button moment lol
13/21
@KingBootoshi
shoutout china for god tier local models
14/21
@bossriceshark
This is not a small deal
15/21
@BrundageCabins
These are the court orders that are public: there's quite a bit more as well. The justification is national security .
16/21
@GregKara6
yes soon to be ingested by Palantir. Theil bought trump a long time ago.
17/21
@JimTeva
Does it mean every request you send through @cursor_ai to OpenAI models is also preserved by OpenAI (even with data anonymization)?
18/21
@Lux_Orb_Lights
Board of Directors has a once head of the NSA on it.
Seems to track.
19/21
@Libertai_DAI
At
LibertAI, we don't store or track AI workload, we dont even have access to prompts or conversations. Built with open source AI and TEE encryption on @Aleph_im decentralized cloud, you can audit every step.
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With LibertAI privacy is the default, no toggles, no hidden terms, no storing for “your safety”.
Your data stays safe on our robust decentralized AI network.
Privacy is freedom
20/21
@antho1404
Because you think they were deleting everything anyway?
21/21
@____Dirt____
Nothing burger this is in discovery and even with a ruling there are two appeals available.
Absolutely no one can afford to preserve that slop on backups
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