Yeap...It's Official Kansas Has Officially Reached Duke Status

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I like this people feel like they can disrespect Duke Bball like its Duke football what's wrong with these clowns :heh:
I feel like as much hate as Duke basketball get it should come from a couple teams. If you not a Kentucky UNC Kansas maybe Michigan st. Fan you can't talk. The hate be coming from fans of teams that haven't won a ring the last 30 years :mjlol:
 

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I feel like as much hate as Duke basketball get it should come from a couple teams. If you not a Kentucky UNC Kansas maybe Michigan st. Fan you can't talk. The hate be coming from fans of teams that haven't won a ring the last 30 years :mjlol:


Florida can talk some shyt they have been a top program past 2 decades

The best of the best in no order is Duke,Kentucky,UNC,Kansas,UConn(trash lately) Michigan St,Louisville,Florida in past 10-15 years IMO UCLA as well mostly the Howland years
 

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Self doesn't get Duke/UK or even arizona level talent lately. He's a choke artist especially with the second round and elite 8.
 
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Never liked Self, I feel like no one can ever shine in their system and it wastes the elite talents they get. Guys like Wiggins and Jackson are just confined by his offense I feel. He coaches a team that would be great with a bunch of seniors on the roster, not one where the best players are star freshman.

Jackson had the highest usage of any one on his team. I'll even let the Wiggins stuff slide although he took 100 more shots than anyone else on his team.

Jackson got way more freedom than Wiggins or Oubre which explains those high turnovers. I'm done with the excuses for Self but Jackson got freedom.
 

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Florida can talk some shyt they have been a top program past 2 decades

The best of the best in no order is Duke,Kentucky,UNC,Kansas,UConn(trash lately) Michigan St,Louisville,Florida in past 10-15 years IMO UCLA as well mostly the Howland years
Florida has a back to back championship in the past 10 years something that hasn't been done since 91-92 :sas2:
And yea uconn fell off I thought Ollie was going to have a strong hand in recruiting
 

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Jackson had the highest usage of any one on his team. I'll even let the Wiggins stuff slide although he took 100 more shots than anyone else on his team.

Jackson got way more freedom than Wiggins or Oubre which explains those high turnovers. I'm done with the excuses for Self but Jackson got freedom.
Just because your usage rate was the highest on the team does not mean that you were given freedom on the court. That whole team is confined. USG% also doesn't tell the full story. A well rounded player like Jackson is bound to drive up usage rate statistics. Rather than letting him have freedom on the perimeter, Jackson was often stuck running the baseline or playing in the high post. Wiggins was stuck passing and cutting over and over and not given enough isolation opportunities, hell I would've liked to see them both get more action as PnR ball handlers.
 

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Just because your usage rate was the highest on the team does not mean that you were given freedom on the court. That whole team is confined. USG% also doesn't tell the full story. A well rounded player like Jackson is bound to drive up usage rate statistics. Rather than letting him have freedom on the perimeter, Jackson was often stuck running the baseline or playing in the high post. Wiggins was stuck passing and cutting over and over and not given enough isolation opportunities, hell I would've liked to see them both get more action as PnR ball handlers.

Wiggins struggles in P&R now in the NBA after 3 years. He would've looked like ass doing that. This team isn't confined. Cats were just applauding their fast pace and play style a few games ago. I'm not defending Self and his shytty high low offense. These dudes just choked along with him.
 

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Wiggins struggles in P&R now in the NBA after 3 years. He would've looked like ass doing that. This team isn't confined. Cats were just applauding their fast pace and play style a few games ago. I'm not defending Self and his shytty high low offense. These dudes just choked along with him.

While Wiggins hasn't excelled in the PnR, he hasn't struggled. he actually performs rather similarly to guys like Giannis in PPP and Scoring frequency - it's a developing part of his game. NBA success also doesn't directly equate to college success, I would have liked to see him get reps in college, his athletic advantages might have made more of a difference there, and it probably would have sped up his development similar to how we're seeing the Kings play with Buddy Hield right now.

I still would've liked to see Jackson in the PnR, especially given his playmaking ability. A fast pace has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, you're bringing up things that are irrelevant. I'm speaking about their half court offense. When Kansas slows it down, their system is rather confining with constant pass and cuts, lack of isolation opportunities, usage of high-low offense which we agree on, etc.

I'm not so concerned with the one particular game in which they lost, I think Jackson's foul troubles took them out of the game. These are longstanding issues I've had with Self.
 

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While Wiggins hasn't excelled in the PnR, he hasn't struggled. he actually performs rather similarly to guys like Giannis in PPP and Scoring frequency - it's a developing part of his game. NBA success also doesn't directly equate to college success, I would have liked to see him get reps in college, his athletic advantages might have made more of a difference there, and it probably would have sped up his development similar to how we're seeing the Kings play with Buddy Hield right now.

I still would've liked to see Jackson in the PnR, especially given his playmaking ability. A fast pace has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, you're bringing up things that are irrelevant. I'm speaking about their half court offense. When Kansas slows it down, their system is rather confining with constant pass and cuts, lack of isolation opportunities, usage of high-low offense which we agree on, etc.

I'm not so concerned with the one particular game in which they lost, I think Jackson's foul troubles took them out of the game. These are longstanding issues I've had with Self.

I don't think Jackson has the isolation game to just score. Even if he got those opportunities. Self likes to hide weaknesses rather than expose them and force them to get better at it. Just look at how he put Oubre in the corner. Josh has a left to right crossover he used in the UK Game and the step back. He could absolutely show more in the pros but that's just my observations.

@JLova you should be frustrated. They choked in a home game with 15,000 fans there rooting them on. I won't forget these dudes let Frank go out lik this.
 

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I mean.... it's hard to win titles regularly in a field of 64

It's not even about winning, it's about getting your shyt pushed in. Was disappointed with what I saw. Only one dude decided to play. The rest were just crap. Thing is, Kansas been playing with fire with their slow starts, thing is there was no push in the 2nd half. Dudes missing easy shots, too many mental errors. Self didn't adjust early enough. Squad looked flat as fukk.

Underachieving against teams they should beat or at least be competitive against is a Self trait.
 
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